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#1 ·
I hit my key fob trunk release and the trunk popped open. I put stuff in the trunk and closed the trunk lid. Hit the door unlock on key fob and nothing happened. Had to unlock door with the key. Put key in ignition and turned to start. Nothing happened and nothing electrical was working. I thought a dead battery but checked and the charge is up to start and operate electrics.
Tried to take the key out of ignition and nope that wasn't happening either. Couldn't get the shifter out of park either, the button wouldn't push in. Everything acts like the battery has been removed.
I found on this forum how to remove the key and I did get it out. The electrical malfunction even had locked the key in the switch.
I opened the hood and removed the relay/fuse box cover and I heard a very slight tic tic tic sound. When I removed the PWR/TRN relay the ticking would stop. Put relay back in and the ticking was there again. I disconnected the negative battery cable and reconnected it. The ticking stopped even with the relay installed. But nothing electrical is working. NOTHING! Just like a disconnected battery.
I need help trouble shooting steps to fix this problem. What fuses or relays to check and where are they located? Would the antitheft system cause a total shut down like this? The car is facing into the carport so I can't even roll it out because I can't get the car out of park. I also don't want to pay the ripoff dealer charges while they possibly have a rookie learning on my dollars. I am retired so I don't have big bucks to spare to be paying a dealer $120 an hour.
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Thanks for the help.
 
#2 ·
You didn't state year and model of your car, but if it's an 8th gen (2006-2012), try checking the RAP fuse in the passenger floor fuse box. These symptoms sound like it may be a rap fuse (key stuck in ignition, etc). The RAP fuse is the red fuse all of the way in the upper left corner of the fuse box (behind the metal relays).

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#5 ·
Kanye West yeah he is a problem but not mine.
I had to become a contortionist since I couldn't open the pass side door enough to get at the fuse box. I got the RAP 10a fuse out and holding a light behind it I can see it is good to go.
Back to square one as they say. How can I get the shifter button to release so I can get the car out of park? This is really strange that everything electrical is dead.
 
#7 ·
What's strange is that nothing electrical is working. I've heard of the unable to shift from park issue, but that shouldn't affect things like his radio and other electronics...

Very strange. Sure seems like some sort of power issue. Maybe a bad relay? He did mention a tick, tick, tick sound, which might be a relay going nuts...

I honestly think that the reason that he can't shift from park is electrical-related and not the nuetral safety switch issue. Was hoping is just just a RAP issue, but sounds like it's more "severe" than that. I think I'd start going down the relay avenue at this point.

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#8 ·
The problem is electrical and it is just like disconnecting the battery. So anything electrical is shut off. Which is why the key got locked in the switch and why the park button will not work either.
I was checking fuses and all were testing ok for continuity then when I tried removing the battery #2 60 a fuse the dang thing was very hard to remove as these fuses all are. The dang fuse flew when it came out and I heard it hit something plastic. I be darned if I could find where that fuse went. It is colored yellow so I would think I could see it but nope.
I went to the auto parts store to get another one and dang if I got the wrong one. It is to short so now another trip to the store. I did notice two battery fuses #1 and #2 both being 60a, I checked the #1 fuse and it checked okay. The #2 went flying so who knows if it was bad.
I have a bad feeling my problem isn't a fuse.
 
#12 ·
Update: Same problem happening again. No power what so ever but I do hear the same PWR/TRN relay clicking that I heard last time I had this problem. The car ran fine after replacing the relays but now here I am at 1st base again. I swapped out relays and I checked both battery 60 a fuses which checked good for continuity. I still have no electrical power at all. The battery shows over 12 v so it is good.
I don't understand what cleared last time that it then ran and now it all quit again. Replacing and swapping out relays didn't work this time. Could it be the ECM is the problem. Perhaps a connection problem at the ECM?
Where is the ECM or the BCM located on the car so I can check the connectors? I hate to tow the car to someone with electrical testing abilities but that might just be what I need to do. Back yard mechanics and untrained mechanics in electrical trouble shooting often cost more than taking it to a qualified repair shop. Oh geeze I don't want to think dealer but that might be the best option.
Good thing I have a back up vehicle.
 
#13 ·
I read that I should check for a good ground by touching v-meter + lead to + bat post and the negative to the motor. If good ground then should have 12 v. I checked and showing good ground.
I checked the small ATO fuses under the hood main fuse box and the fuses that should have had power were only showing around 5.94 volts. I think that should be reading 12v. The main battery big fuses are around 12v.
I again noticed the PWR/TRB relay was steady clicking away. I disconnected the neg battery cable for about a minute then connected again. Still nothing working.
What is causing the low 5.94v at the small fuses? Is the ECM or BCM bad causing that? I hate electrical work!
 
#14 ·
I am not 100% sure as it is hard to say what your problem could. However I know this is going to sound ODD but I think it could be your Ignition switch. IF you have a VM Maybe check your Wires at your Switch! It has been a while however from the V+ that your saying is coming from the fuses it could be the Ignition issue. Sadly it is hard to give a good answer on what the problem is with out the car being present.

Hope you find your fault soon

James
 
#15 ·
I found the problem. The battery cable that runs from the battery + terminal clamp to the fuse box was not making contact at the battery clamp. Sanded the eyelet to metal and reconnected. Have all powered up now. A lot of aggravation and time spent but at least it is fixed now.
Thanks for all the input.
 
#17 ·
I found the problem. The battery cable that runs from the battery + terminal clamp to the fuse box was not making contact at the battery clamp. Sanded the eyelet to metal and reconnected. Have all powered up now. A lot of aggravation and time spent but at least it is fixed now. Thanks for all the input.
Hey do you have number having same problem as you