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Maybe I am crazy but I will research any purchase I make that is over a $100. Currently I am researching tires for my 2014 Impala LTZ 2LZ.

I am not recommending you purchase your tires from any merchant over any other but I am offering one of the tools I use in my decision making process.

TireRack.com has a performance chart that compares tires of like category from different manufactures. It rates Dry traction, wet traction, light snow traction, comfort, treadwear, etc.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS

Hope this might help some of you in your decision making process.

BTW, I hope this thread is in the right place.
 

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Yep, never hurts to shop around. Had been running 17 inch uniroyal tiger paw touring on our 2012 lt, 2 sets no complaints. Ordered a 3rd set from walmart a couple weeks ago, $90 a tire. Unfortunately after the expected arrival date walmart canceled my order. Said I could re order the same tires to a different location, which made no sense at all. Instead checked sams club and found a set of pirelli four season p4's normally $126 at sams, with an $80 instant savings. Bought the tire package and got another $15 off making the tires $90 a piece. Was a total of $140 off, $471 out the door with roadhazards and life of the tire rotation and balancing. And sam's had the job done in less than 45 minutes, they were done with our car before I made it through the store.
 

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Fwiw, tire rack shows the p4 plus at $143 a tire or $571 a set not counting tax. Confirms the sams price is a great price for the same tire when I can be out the door for 100 bucks less for them mounted with tax and all. Looks like the tires are a perfect fit for this area as well since winter snow is limited in west TN https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=ST&width=225/&ratio=55&diameter=17&tireSearch=true&filter=y. Now if my wife can just avoid the freaking potholes that are everywhere in this part of the world.
 

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Tire Rack's rating charts for the various tire categories always provide a great starting point when shopping for new tires, and I always refer to them myself. The rankings are determined by the overall ratings of buyers of each tire. If most people are pleased with some aspect - mileage, ride quality, etc - a tire will score well in that category.

But each of those tire category charts should be considered only a starting point. Since the rankings are derived entirely from owner opinions, many of which are offered in comparison to whatever factory rubber was delivered on the vehicle, those rankings are not always supported by instrumented testing. Fortunately, Tire Rack maintains its own test track and also publishes in-depth comparison tests by people who do tires for a living. I make my final buying decisions based on those, whenever possible.


 

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The truth is over $100 of a 4-tire package goes into costs such as balancing, installation, valve stem, disposal, tax, and fees that are not paying for the rubber.
For example by the time the tires are on my car if I've spent $500 then roughly only around 360-380 of that $500 pays for the rubber of the tire.
The other $120-$140 of that $500 pays for the "fee" (mounting/balancing/installation/valve stem/disposal/tax)...
And it is that "fee" I wish to incur as little as possible, so to me it is important to select the proper tire.
It is for this reason that cheap tires are not worth it...

If as in the above example I've spent $500 and I get 20,000 (this is just an example) miles out of those tires...
Or I opt instead to get 1/2 price tires that I only get 10,000 miles out of, why am I not getting a deal, because of that $120-$140 cost they charge us to peel the old rubber and put the new rubber on the rims of the car!
For this example I am going to take the average of that 360-380 so make it $370 tires...
And lets say instead of those $370 tires I got 4 tires for $175...
And now we have to add on to that the "cost" of $120 (for mounting/balancing/installation/valve stem/disposal/tax)...
Times TWO (since we're going to cover 20k miles either way)...
$350 + $240 = $590!

I will have spent $590 to have cheap 10k mile tires put on my car twice versus simply having spent $500 once and gotten the same miles out of them...
Not to mention having to spend the two extra hours in that waiting room...

Hope that made sense.

A few more helpful tips is to learn the category, such as Passenger, Light Truck, and performance.
Then there exist variations within each category, generally speaking the more we spend the better the tire but here again, what is "good" for you?
Do you want performance, long lasting, noise, handling?
Which of these factors are most and least important to you?

That having been said I normally won't buy a tire that has any of those review colors yellow, even if (to me) it's in the least important category.
All green only, and preferably dark green.

Don't be afraid to visually inspect your tires about every 5k miles either.
 

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The truth is over $100 of a 4-tire package goes into costs such as balancing, installation, valve stem, disposal, tax, and fees that are not paying for the rubber.
For example by the time the tires are on my car if I've spent $500 then roughly only around 360-380 of that $500 pays for the rubber of the tire.
The other $120-$140 of that $500 pays for the "fee" (mounting/balancing/installation/valve stem/disposal/tax)...
And it is that "fee" I wish to incur as little as possible, so to me it is important to select the proper tire.
It is for this reason that cheap tires are not worth it...

If as in the above example I've spent $500 and I get 20,000 (this is just an example) miles out of those tires...
Or I opt instead to get 1/2 price tires that I only get 10,000 miles out of, why am I not getting a deal, because of that $120-$140 cost they charge us to peel the old rubber and put the new rubber on the rims of the car!
For this example I am going to take the average of that 360-380 so make it $370 tires...
And lets say instead of those $370 tires I got 4 tires for $175...
And now we have to add on to that the "cost" of $120 (for mounting/balancing/installation/valve stem/disposal/tax)...
Times TWO (since we're going to cover 20k miles either way)...
$350 + $240 = $590!

I will have spent $590 to have cheap 10k mile tires put on my car twice versus simply having spent $500 once and gotten the same miles out of them...
Not to mention having to spend the two extra hours in that waiting room...

Hope that made sense.

A few more helpful tips is to learn the category, such as Passenger, Light Truck, and performance.
Then there exist variations within each category, generally speaking the more we spend the better the tire but here again, what is "good" for you?
Do you want performance, long lasting, noise, handling?
Which of these factors are most and least important to you?

That having been said I normally won't buy a tire that has any of those review colors yellow, even if (to me) it's in the least important category.
All green only, and preferably dark green.

Don't be afraid to visually inspect your tires about every 5k miles either.
you forgot about the 20/tire or more for road hazard if that's your cup of tea on top of the extra's you mentioned.
 

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If you guys are spending over $100 for mounting, balancing, tire disposal, road hazard etc. then you are going to the wrong places.

For cars Sams Club charges $15 per tire and that includes lifetime balancing, lifetime flat repairs, lifetime rotations, road hazard, new valve stems, TPMS reset, 3 years of 24 hour emergency roadside assistance and tire disposal.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/tire-search/1056.cp?saclp=1&mobiledetect=false&pid=ps_819228664&wl0=b&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=262611683453&wl4=aud-427505133026:kwd-298820009686&wl5=9008587&wl6=&wl7=&wl15=45812710207&wl16=+sam's +tires&wl17=1t1&veh=sem&kclid=6707ff0c-8a55-495e-a737-dfbb281122fb&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvujF6-vL4QIVhkSGCh3WuAfPEAAYASAAEgIQHPD_BwE
 

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If you guys are spending over $100 for mounting, balancing, tire disposal, road hazard etc. then you are going to the wrong places.

For cars Sams Club charges $15 per tire and that includes lifetime balancing, lifetime flat repairs, lifetime rotations, road hazard, new valve stems, TPMS reset, 3 years of 24 hour emergency roadside assistance and tire disposal.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/tire-search/1056.cp?saclp=1&mobiledetect=false&pid=ps_819228664&wl0=b&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=262611683453&wl4=aud-427505133026:kwd-298820009686&wl5=9008587&wl6=&wl7=&wl15=45812710207&wl16=+sam's +tires&wl17=1t1&veh=sem&kclid=6707ff0c-8a55-495e-a737-dfbb281122fb&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvujF6-vL4QIVhkSGCh3WuAfPEAAYASAAEgIQHPD_BwE
Too bad the closest one is 60 miles away
 

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The truth is over $100 of a 4-tire package goes into costs such as balancing, installation, valve stem, disposal, tax, and fees that are not paying for the rubber.
For example by the time the tires are on my car if I've spent $500 then roughly only around 360-380 of that $500 pays for the rubber of the tire.
The other $120-$140 of that $500 pays for the "fee" (mounting/balancing/installation/valve stem/disposal/tax)...
And it is that "fee" I wish to incur as little as possible, so to me it is important to select the proper tire.
It is for this reason that cheap tires are not worth it...
If you are paying that much for mounting and balancing, you are paying too much. Good to shop around.

If you guys are spending over $100 for mounting, balancing, tire disposal, road hazard etc. then you are going to the wrong places.

For cars Sams Club charges $15 per tire and that includes lifetime balancing, lifetime flat repairs, lifetime rotations, road hazard, new valve stems, TPMS reset, 3 years of 24 hour emergency roadside assistance and tire disposal.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/tire-search/1056.cp?saclp=1&mobiledetect=false&pid=ps_819228664&wl0=b&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=262611683453&wl4=aud-427505133026:kwd-298820009686&wl5=9008587&wl6=&wl7=&wl15=45812710207&wl16=+sam's +tires&wl17=1t1&veh=sem&kclid=6707ff0c-8a55-495e-a737-dfbb281122fb&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvujF6-vL4QIVhkSGCh3WuAfPEAAYASAAEgIQHPD_BwE
Yep, as I posted earlier in this thread, just put a set of pirelli p4 plus on our 2012 from sams club, they gave incredible discounts on an 80,000 mile tire that elsewhere was running $126 each w/o mounting and balancing. Had me out the door in less than 45 minutes for under $500.
 

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Let me beat on this dead horse just a little more!

On Friday I bought a set of BF Goodrich G-Force Comp 2 A/S tires and had them mounted. I really do like the aggressive appearance of the tread pattern but the ride quality WOW, compared to the Goodyear Eagle RSA's that were on the car is leaps and bounds better. Now granted, the Goodyears were almost at the end of their life expectancy and the BFG's are new but the ride is not near as harsh while feeling just as responsive and agile. Already put a 247 mile trip in the interstate in the books with the new tires and I cannot tell you how pleased I am.

The deal I got on the tires also made it even sweeter. I will just say that I managed to get them cheaper than any advertised price I can find.

Another plus to these tires over the Goodyears is that the sidewall shape will not allow you to "curb" your rim if you happen to brush against a curb going slow (speeds and angles may yield different results).

I will post pics tomorrow after I get the tires and wheels cleaned up.
 

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Did you guys see these new "airless" tires that are getting ready to become a "thing"? They sure are ugly looking, but I think they will soon be a common thing. Hopefully, they can make them look a little more like 'regular" tires though...

https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/06/gm-michelin-will-team-up-to-test-airless-tires-on-michigan-roads-later-this-year.html
Those things do look weird but with advances in technology things change. Maybe the airless tire won't last long. Weren't cars supposed to be flying by now anyway? LOL
 

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Did you guys see these new "airless" tires that are getting ready to become a "thing"? They sure are ugly looking, but I think they will soon be a common thing. Hopefully, they can make them look a little more like 'regular" tires though...

https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/06/gm-michelin-will-team-up-to-test-airless-tires-on-michigan-roads-later-this-year.html
When I as a small child, I had a bicycle with "airless" tires. It was a move up when I got a bike with pneumatic tires :)

Doug

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I'm a little conflicted on the airless tires, but if they keep the ride nice and they can make them look a little better, I think it would be a good thing. I mean tire blowouts are kind of rare, but it *would* be nice not to have to worry about tire pressure at all and/or getting a flat and being stranded (especially since a lot of newer cars no longer come with spare tires at all - such as my 2018 Challenger - just a tire-sealing compressor). ANd if we can elimitate high-speed tire-blowouts, which can easily casue death, I guess why wouldn't we.

Will be interesting to see how this progresses - but I have a feeling it will be a common thing eventually - assumign they can keep the price in check.
 

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I'm a little conflicted on the airless tires, but if they keep the ride nice and they can make them look a little better, I think it would be a good thing.
I'll admit up front, I haven't driven any airless tires (at least, not since I ditched that bike back in 1966 :) )

Seriously, my one thought is how well the airless tires will hold their shape. With pneumatic tires, the pressurized air combined with the balloon construction ensure that. But how well will the airless tire respond to a hard hit on the curb? Will it spring back right away? Or will it feel like you flat-spotted it? How well will it hold its round-ness? And how well will it hold its balance?

I'm like the princess in the old fairy tale, I can feel that pea under a stack of mattresses when it comes to a tire being out of round or out of balance.

Doug

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I will post pics tomorrow after I get the tires and wheels cleaned up.
As promised......

Check out the tread pattern and how aggressive that looks!
Also, if you can see the sidewall has a little pocket that protrudes out past the edge of the rim about 1/8 of an inch. This is what I was talking about the "curb" protection for the rims.
 

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Those look great! I actually had those on my short list prior to purchasing the Cooper Zeon RS3-G1. I have nothing but praise for the Coopers, but they only have 1k miles on them. Hopefully they wear well.
 
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