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So... I go outside today in the below freezing weather to fire up my cars... Reason #1 because it has been so cold, near 0° temps and reason #2 , I need to back the GTO out of the garage so that I can get Christmas decorations and totes put back up on the shelves. Much easier to do this with the car out of the way.

So I start the Yukon... Cranks slow but the Optima red top pulls through... I heard a slight pop but didn't think anything of it, but the truck fired up. About a minute later, I come back out of the house with the Impala keys and I see an oil leak under the Yukon. I fire up the Impala and get under the Yukon and see oil leaking from the oil filter... Then I remember the pop... I hope to God that it is the filter that bursted and not the oil filter housing or the block somewhere... But wait, this crap gets better... I see a little puddle under the Impala and guess where it is almost perfectly lined up with? Yep, the oil filter! Open the hood and see it wet around the filter housing. Now I gotta ask... What is the chance that not 1, but 2, Wix oil filters bite the dust on the same day for the same reason?

I am waiting on my neighbor to give me a ride to Walmart so I can grab a 5 quart jug of oil and 2 new oil filters. I am praying that it is the filters. I have never had this happen in my life but I will never be using a Wix product again. After reading so much praise and recommendation for them I decided to try them on these last oil changes... Never again... It is bad enough that I had to go out in the garage to put Christmas away, but now I have to change oil filters and look for possible engine block damage in the process. I will take pictures and post them along with what I find when I get the filters out.
 

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Wow - that is *crazy*! I've never had ANY oil filter "pop"/"explode" or even fail for that matter.

That makes absolutely no sense.... Definitely curious as to what you find out - especially because I also have Wix filters! :)

Please do follow-up when you know what the deal is. I'm assuming that they are different model filters - so I don't even think you could just blame a bad 'batch'.

I've never heard of anything like that before...

I'm curious as the exact model numbers (XP, non-XP, etc).

Also - where did you purchase? After some brief searching, I saw some mention of possible "fakes" on Amazon... No idea if that is really true or not, just that some mentioned the possibility...

It's been down in the single digits here recently and I haven't had any issues. At least not yet (and I sure hope it stays that way!!).

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Yes please let us know I run napa gold filters that they tell me is a wix filter. I have been using them in many vehicles for over 30 years with no problem.
 

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57045XP in the Impala... 3.6 engine

51522XP in the Yukon... 5.3 engine

Got both filters off and swapped out with AC Delco replacements. Inspected oil filter housings and immediate areas of the engines and didn't see any cracks or other abnormalities. Inspected both filters and I can't see anything wrong. Ran both vehicles for 15 minutes after the filter swaps and not a drop of oil from either. Letting them cool down so I can get a decent reading on the dipsticks so I can top them off.

Holy freaking crap it is cold out and this sucks bad. Never had this happen with any brand filter I have ever used, whether it was my car or a shop customer. I know the cold does some weird stuff to cars, but geez, this takes the cake. Got both Wix filters on the shelf... Gonna take a closer look when it warms up. Gonna be low 20's for highs most of the week with lows down to the single digits and maybe negatives.

I read Wix's warranty disclaimer... I may "inform" them of my issues...
 

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So was the leak from the actual filter or around the seal? Would seem unusual to have a leak from one, but two the same morning is pretty crazy.
 

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If you search the net, you can find plenty of posts about failed AC-Delco filters too - especially the e-core filters (and not just due to the cold), so I honestly dont believe this has anything to do with the links posted above - especially since the one that failed has nothing to do with an Impala or the 3.6L engine...

I'd love to know what the actual cause of the issue is/was. I hope Wix asks you to send the filters to them for analysis...

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So was the leak from the actual filter or around the seal? Would seem unusual to have a leak from one, but two the same morning is pretty crazy.
At this point I can't tell what caused the leak. I did not see any issues with the filter housings on either engine. My guess would be if there was something wrong with the engine, it would have leaked with the new filter. Unless there is a hairline crack in either Wix filter, my guess would be the filter seal. I ran both cars and topped the oil off... No more leaks. Tomorrow will be a test since I have to go to work and my daughter goes back to school, so both cars will be run.
 

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My guess
And its only a guess
But I do have some experience with cold weather and seen this kind of thing before.
The rubber gaskets of both filters probably shrunk and hardened a bit from the cold. Kinda like radiator hoses do and weep a bit of antifreeze when it's FREAKING COLD! (suffering with -40s here now )
Sorry don't mean to yell. But it's cccollldd here too.
I think they blew out past the on ring seals. It's that 1/2 turn past contact that is usually fine until it gets really cold. Another 1/4 turn upon installation will likely stop this from happening again.
That's only a guess though. Never had an issue with Wix filters splitting. Had a defective one once years ago where the can was crimped onto the base, but that was years ago and never seen it since.
Let us know what you find.
 

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My guess
And its only a guess
But I do have some experience with cold weather and seen this kind of thing before.
The rubber gaskets of both filters probably shrunk and hardened a bit from the cold. Kinda like radiator hoses do and weep a bit of antifreeze when it's FREAKING COLD! (suffering with -40s here now )
Sorry don't mean to yell. But it's cccollldd here too.
I think they blew out past the on ring seals. It's that 1/2 turn past contact that is usually fine until it gets really cold. Another 1/4 turn upon installation will likely stop this from happening again.
That's only a guess though. Never had an issue with Wix filters splitting. Had a defective one once years ago where the can was crimped onto the base, but that was years ago and never seen it since.
Let us know what you find.
This is kinda where I was heading with it... In which case, do I contact Wix and complain to them? They can't control the weather. I'm not one to over tighten an oil filter because I have been the poor SOB that has had to remove Superman installed oil filters. It has been cold here in Missouri... Not -40° though... My thoughts and prayers are with you Pauly! I know I was pissed for having to go out there and fix both cars. I guess better today rather than 7:00 tomorrow morning when I am ready to go to work.

My neighbor that took me to the store said he had a Wix filter do this to him on his Silverado last year in the cold. I don't know... Just never had this happen before. It is what it is I guess.
 

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This is kinda where I was heading with it... In which case, do I contact Wix and complain to them? They can't control the weather. I'm not one to over tighten an oil filter because I have been the poor SOB that has had to remove Superman installed oil filters. It has been cold here in Missouri... Not -40° though... My thoughts and prayers are with you Pauly! I know I was pissed for having to go out there and fix both cars. I guess better today rather than 7:00 tomorrow morning when I am ready to go to work.

My neighbor that took me to the store said he had a Wix filter do this to him on his Silverado last year in the cold. I don't know... Just never had this happen before. It is what it is I guess.


You and your neighbor had problems with Wix filters on your GM vehicles? That's a clue.

Use the correct ACDelco filters.
 

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Really probably pretty lucky in all honesty. A lot of folks would have gotten in and driven off and not noticed the leak.

Would also lean towards the cold and possibly the seal/oring being cold and stiff allowing the leak. Dunno much about wix filters or if they man to the oem specs or make a broad filter that fits multiple applications. Only experience I have had with wix was with an old backhoe we got filters for from a napa store.
 

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You and your neighbor had problems with Wix filters on your GM vehicles? That's a clue.

Use the correct ACDelco filters.
This forum has, no doubt, gradually effected a paradigm shift on me.

I used to use Wix filters religiously. I've been told they have the highest quality filters. But I've come to realize that the original equipment maker is always going to have an advantage over the aftermarket/3rd party guy - he's privy to the engineering details - he's the guy whose filter was spec'd in when the motor was designed.

The 3rd party guy may or may not have access to all those details. So his filter that crosses to the OE filter may or may not work as well as the OE filter in that application. I'm sure lots of info is exchanged between the vendors - business works that way - so surely lots of those crosses work just as well as the OE.

But reading the threads here on the topic of oil filters has made it very apparent that using the one spec'd by the car maker is the safest choice. So I've been buying more AC-Delco filters lately (and Motorcraft for my Fords) :)

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As I research this, I find that this is actually a pretty common issue with all oil filter brands. People install the filter when it's 95F outside and then they notice it leaking during the first really cold day. I guess its due to a combination of the major temperature change and the how tight the filter was. I suppose that some oil filter gaskets are more prone to temperature change issues than others as well.

Personally, I've always tightened my oil filters pretty tight (by hand), so maybe that's why I've never had an issue, but definitely something to think about and watch for - regardless of the oil filter used. I know I'll be checking mine the next time I go out! :)

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Back in the day WIX was a very trusted filter.
I agree with using the recommended AC-Delco filters on your Chevrolet.
Should be a perfect fit, perfect match.
But, sometimes the manufacturers specified filters are superceded with a better substitution.

Original, Stock parts work well on an original stock car (off the showroom floor).
If a part only says it fits, you are generally buying a compromise of price, quality or performance.
If a typical store bought filter is designed for many applications, then it may not be specific to your application.

There are a lot of different filters on the shelf and each manufacturer designs theirs a bit different than the "Other" brands. For instance: Micro, Paper, pleated, ByPass, Thickness of metal, bottom plate, cartridge, plastic...

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Are you using the correct viscosity oil? any additives?

Block heaters might also be a good investment.

were the filters fairly new? Sludge in the engine?.. So many factors.. Thank you for bringing up the issues with WIX. of course, it has more to do with the individual needs of an engine and if those needs are being met. In this instance, we see a failure..
 

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That's the thing with oil filters, just when is it tight?

I spin them on fairly tight by hand, then I use a band type filter wrench and play with the tightness to see when it is tight, tighten a bit, back it off, tighten it back, and what I want to feel for tightness when I take it off.

I've never been comfortable just tightening by hand with usually oily fingers.

Sometimes it's just that extra attention to particulars that keep you out of trouble.
 

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This forum has, no doubt, gradually effected a paradigm shift on me.

I used to use Wix filters religiously. I've been told they have the highest quality filters. But I've come to realize that the original equipment maker is always going to have an advantage over the aftermarket/3rd party guy - he's privy to the engineering details - he's the guy whose filter was spec'd in when the motor was designed.

The 3rd party guy may or may not have access to all those details. So his filter that crosses to the OE filter may or may not work as well as the OE filter in that application. I'm sure lots of info is exchanged between the vendors - business works that way - so surely lots of those crosses work just as well as the OE.

But reading the threads here on the topic of oil filters has made it very apparent that using the one spec'd by the car maker is the safest choice. So I've been buying more AC-Delco filters lately (and Motorcraft for my Fords) :)

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I have owned GM vehicles continuously for for than four decades - and have always used OE ACDelco filters, plugs, etc. I have never had a problem and have never had internal engine damage.

My family has also owns Dodge / Jeep / Ram vehicles that I service (or have serviced). I have always used OE filters for those vehicles.

I purchased my first Ford (Expediton Limited 4x4) and only use Motorcraft OE filters for it.

I realize everyone has an opinion about vehicle filters. I have always believed that the OE filter will be the CORRECT filter and work properly, if the correct application is used. I do not want to speculate if an aftermarket filter manufacturer had access to the vehicle manufacturer's engineering specifications for an application (and closely applied them....).

I realize that an OE filter could be defective, but its operating and engineering characteristics should be the best for my vehicle. The cost difference is often very negligible and not a concern for me.
 

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Personally, I've always tightened my oil filters pretty tight (by hand), <snip>
FWIW, as I recall, the instructions were to turn it until it stops, then tighten it ¾ turns (270°). I usually do it more than that, on the order of 1-¼ turns, which requires a wrench.

As mentioned, it's hard to do that by hand because, invariably, we have oily hands at that point :)

But I avoid using strap wrenches for tightening. I've crushed and/or mis-shapened the filters using them. That's OK when you're taking the old one off, but not so good for the new one :)

I use the type of oil filter tools that conformally fit over the end of the filter and are turned with a ratchet. These won't damage the filter can.

I also keep a magic marker in the garage and use it to mark a line on the filter before I mount it. That makes it a bit easier to keep track of how much I've rotated it when applying those final turns.

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Kinda like carbide, I hand tighten as tight as I can but do not use a filter wrench, then back off a hair(less than a quarter turn). Rare I have to use a wrench to remove a filter.

Did you oil the seals? Seems a silly question maybe, but sometimes little things like this get overlooked and may make a difference.
 

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Did you oil the seals? Seems a silly question maybe, but sometimes little things like this get overlooked and may make a difference.
Yes, absolutely, I always oil the seal. And I pre-fill the filter as best I can, too. For the vertically mounted filters, they can be filled almost completely before mounting. For the horizontal and angled filters, I get them around ½-¾ full - any more than that and you'll be pouring it back out when screwing it on :(

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I remember working with my brother-inlaw on his big block super stocker. He had a rig made from an old distributor, and was turned by a drill. It was inserted into the distributor opening in the intake, and used to turn the oil pump, to circulate oil thru the engine prior to cranking it over. I'm not sure when exactly this was done - only after rebuilds, or maybe also after long periods in storage, or maybe after every oil change. But I always think of it when I'm changing the oil :)

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