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I may be wrong here (happens more than I would like to admit), but I have a sneaking suspiction that a lot of fully automated cars will get made, with nowhere near enough buyer interest in them.
I agree, I think the production of fully automated vehicles is coming. The two factors I see in the pursuit of that technology are 1) the manufacturers' fear of not having a capable product when the market takes off, and 2) the millennials' inclination to be rickshaw passengers, versus earlier generations (me) who prefer to drive themselves.

Regarding the 1st item, you need only look at the early post war years to see how many manufacturers went belly up because they failed to keep up with new features, such as hydraulic brakes, for example.

As for the 2nd, I don't pretend to understand all the factors, but I guess today's kids would rather ride as passengers so they can fiddle with their smart phones :)

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In that vein, I see no mention of the Malibu, so I'm assuming it's still alive, along with its other GM siblings. I read that as GM consolidating their sedan offering to that platform, which is somewhere between the small Cruze and the larger Impala.
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On a side note, since the Malibu is on a short wheel base version of the same platform as the Impala, maybe they'll add the LFX as a Malibu option :) In the lighter platform, that might be a hot ride :)

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The Malibu's sales are also dropping.

2016 - 227,000
2017 - 185,000
2018 - trending towards 149k

I don't know if that's actually bad or if 2016 was just a great year for car sales.
 

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The Malibu's sales are also dropping.

2016 - 227,000
2017 - 185,000
2018 - trending towards 149k

I don't know if that's actually bad or if 2016 was just a great year for car sales.

I think 2016 was the first year of the redesign, making it look a lot like the Impala.
 

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I think 2016 was the first year of the redesign, making it look a lot like the Impala.
That coincides with the Impala moving to the epsilon2 platform which the Malibu also uses. (The Malibu uses the short wheelbase version of the platform while the Impala uses the long version.) So some of that similarity is inherent in sharing the platform.

That said, I think some of the similarity is also on purpose - historically, it seems like every brand of car has always had a couple of distinctly different models that shared many of the same styling cues.

Since the reintroduction of the Malibu nameplate, I think it has gotten better looking each year.

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A shame that GM is cutting productive sedans because they're not selling, but I'm not buying into it. The Impala specifically was discontinued in 1986, then it came back in 1994, then it died in 1996 and came back in 2000. I don't believe a popular economy car would be cut to point of being in the history books like the Biscayne, Bel Air, even the Chevette as a Cruze predecessor. 2023 is not enough time to produce full electric cars that replaces and improves upon the economy and performance of petrol engines. The Prius is a good example of that market, Toyota builds it as a hybrid rather than a full electric car for the US sales. It would be rather efficient with an electric motor but even Japan knows the States don't want that type of vehicle. GM tried it once before the Volt and then literally scrapped it, took from owners and all sales lots and sold them for scrap.

I say let them do their marketing stunt, make people think that GM isn't great (though it isn't great to begin with) and then they'll build Caprice SS, V12 Corvettes, RWD Impala SS, Montes, Camaros, great performing small cars, etc, in the following years. Who knows what the future holds, keep on riding in your GM or get yourself an Asian car since the big three are going down swinging this round.
 

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Who knows, I just may make a Dodge Challenger my next car! :) I never thought that I would say that, but if GM isn't going to make cars that I like, I'll just buy from another US company that is. I refuse to buy a car from a foreign company, regardless of where it's made (not wanting to debate that whole thing again though). :) I rarely drive in the snow anymore, so I can probably get away with a rear-wheel drive car nowadays...

Then again, the used market will be plentiful for a while - probably at least until they decide to start making cars again once poeple start getting tired of SUVs. ;-)
 

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58miles per hour is at home, on the road I use the "supercharger network" proprietary Tesla, free for older cars like mine 200amps 400volts DC my car is rated to accept 142miles in 30minutes but as the battery fulls it slows the charging just like a quick charger on your phone. With a wife and two elementary school age girls, a gas stop is 20minutes. I haven't gone past Minneapolis which is round about 5 hours driving. We stop on Eau Claire and eat at Panera which is usually closer to an hour so the car gets more charge I haven't watched close hit I bet it gets over 200miles in that time.
Since it charges FAST at lower states of charge in the 10-20% range I see 350miles added per hour. If it is warm out the AC howls keeping it cool.

Long as we plan a meal on a 3-400mile trip I don't think the EV is really any slower long as you sit down to eat. I have mapped 16hour drive to the east coast and it estimates like 4-5 stops and under 3 hours charging. Some hotels are adding outlets for overnight charging too. In car Nav maps the Tesla Superchargers and included many hotels and destinations with the 80amp capable chargers like what I have at home.

It does require more planning and some more time than gas, but not as bad as people presume, and honestly taking a little more time at meals or the like while charging is a more relaxing trip if you can spare the time.
Far as cost, I don't have hard numbers but in theory it is maybe 1/3 the cost of gas. Since the battery has to be warm to charge it is less savings than that here in WI, but still certainly cheaper than the LS3 powered Sports Sedan it replaced that I was getting 17mpg on Premium with due to my short trips.

Overall, how do you like the Tesla? What model? If I get an electric car, Tesla will be the one, unless the other automakers step up their game as far as styling.The Volt and Bolt don't float my boat (Hey that rhymes)
 

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Who knows, I just may make a Dodge Challenger my next car! :) I never thought that I would say that, but if GM isn't going to make cars that I like, I'll just buy from another US company that is. I refuse to buy a car from a foreign company, regardless of where it's made (not wanting to debate that whole thing again though). :) I rarely drive in the snow anymore, so I can probably get away with a rear-wheel drive car nowadays...

Then again, the used market will be plentiful for a while - probably at least until they decide to start making cars again once poeple start getting tired of SUVs. ;-)
I love those Challengers. Chrysler really did a good job with the modern but retro look.
 

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Who knows, I just may make a Dodge Challenger my next car! :) I never thought that I would say that, but if GM isn't going to make cars that I like, I'll just buy from another US company that is. I refuse to buy a car from a foreign company, regardless of where it's made (not wanting to debate that whole thing again though). :) I rarely drive in the snow anymore, so I can probably get away with a rear-wheel drive car nowadays...

Then again, the used market will be plentiful for a while - probably at least until they decide to start making cars again once poeple start getting tired of SUVs. ;-)
i mean i'd be jealous if you did so...i contemplated taking the sports car and limping it out through the winters with one car but couldn't do it....lol
 

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i mean i'd be jealous if you did so...i contemplated taking the sports car and limping it out through the winters with one car but couldn't do it....lol
I noticed that they even have an all-wheel-drive model of the Challenger. That would be my best choice, but I'm sure that adds significant cost and would be a lot harder to find on the used market. These cars have to have the biggest price range of any car I've seen due to all of the different submodels they have of it - I'm talking from about $28k (new) to over $100k (used!). :)

I've always liked the styling of the Challenger. Would definitely want an automatic, preferrably a V8 and preferrably an all-wheel-drive. When I go car shopping, I think the Challenger will be at or near the top of my list...
 

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I noticed that they even have an all-wheel-drive model of the Challenger. That would be my best choice, but I'm sure that adds significant cost and would be a lot harder to find on the used market. These cars have to have the biggest price range of any car I've seen due to all of the different submodels they have of it - I'm talking from about $28k (new) to over $100k (used!). :)

I've always liked the styling of the Challenger. Would definitely want an automatic, preferrably a V8 and preferrably an all-wheel-drive. When I go car shopping, I think the Challenger will be at or near the top of my list...
all wheel drive GT model is only on the v6. only auto offered for that. read on a road and track review i believe that the handling wasn't that much different from 2wd model. awd kicks in automatically below 40 degrees temperature. they said it does decently in the snow. i considered it as well, but also the charger/300 has a gt/awd model if you want a 4 door.
 

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all wheel drive GT model is only on the v6. only auto offered for that. read on a road and track review i believe that the handling wasn't that much different from 2wd model. awd kicks in automatically below 40 degrees temperature. they said it does decently in the snow. i considered it as well, but also the charger/300 has a gt/awd model if you want a 4 door.
That sucks... Was hoping there was a V8 model with AWD... I guess I could live with a V6 with AWD (about same power level as my 2012 Impala, I'm assuming). I would just want the AWD for snow, if needed.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the Charger - the Challenger just looks so much nicer....
 

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a coworker has the v-6 challenger from 2010 and likes it. he had the original challengers from the 70's as well, so that kind of says something. personally i'd rather have a v-8 especially the 392 (dream car i can reasonably afford lol). i think for an every day sports car with 305 hp and awd, it's not a terrible idea. i just needed the 4 doors for practicality in an every day car. they used to have the 5.7 hemi in awd for a couple of years in the charger back 2006-2014 sometime, then removed that as an option and came back with the gt model a year or two ago.
 

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Overall, how do you like the Tesla? What model? If I get an electric car, Tesla will be the one, unless the other automakers step up their game as far as styling.The Volt and Bolt don't float my boat (Hey that rhymes)

I Have a 2014 P85 I bought second half of 2017 with 65k up over 80k now. I love it though have had a few problems. Mine is VIN in the 42,XXX range so I hope they got things worked out a bit better and the parts that did fail were updated. This fall the TPMS module failed($600 with new sensors), sensors batteries were dying anyway so I planned to update the system to display pressure(old one did not display), this just forced my hand as far as when I did it because it jambed up the CanBus and disabled the vehicle in doing so, this can happen on other cars brother-in-law who used to work on European stuff said he has seen it.
Then the battery heater failed they covered that under goodwill.

My car was heavily optioned for 2014 but they have a LOT of upgrades since. Really wish mine had the Traffic Aware Cruise Control. I suspect that by using it to draft to a degree it could really stretch highway range and you do not have to be terribly close, normal follow distances I can see a meaningful efficiency gain. At 78mph though you see a big efficiency hit unless you have someone moving some of the wind out of the way.

If you don't need a lot of cargo room the Model 3 is attractive from an interior space and features perspective and is a lot more efficient than the S.

Think my car is rated at 293wh/mile or something there abouts where the Model 3 being smaller with a permanent magnet motor is more like 220. "rated" is a bit like factory spec MPG you don't see it often The other day on my roadtrip I was seeing probably about 340wh/m cruising between 62-80mph with a 40degree heating rise rolling modest hillls. Heat use matters since it is electric resistance heat not waste heat from an engine. That was moving with traffic, numbers would be worse if I was on the highway alone at 80mph, Probably 400wh/mile. They used to have a calculator that would let you set temp and speed and my 265mile range car was projected to be 400miles if you drove at 45mph and the NAV will yell at you if you are hurting efficiency with speed enough to risk running low on juice.
 

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Who knows, I just may make a Dodge Challenger my next car! :) I never thought that I would say that, but if GM isn't going to make cars that I like, I'll just buy from another US company that is. I refuse to buy a car from a foreign company, regardless of where it's made (not wanting to debate that whole thing again though). :) I rarely drive in the snow anymore, so I can probably get away with a rear-wheel drive car nowadays...

Then again, the used market will be plentiful for a while - probably at least until they decide to start making cars again once poeple start getting tired of SUVs. ;-)
Yes sir...definitely get a Challenger. I love mine. It's been a great car and super fun to drive.
 

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Honestly, I'm torn between wanting a "luxury" car (nice plush ride, etc) and a "sports" car. I like the look of the sports cars, but prefer the ride and comfort of a "luxury" car. Maybe a Cadillac is in my future... :) Who knows.
 

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i mean, have you ridden in a challenger? cause the few times i have they were reasonably riding for a sports car. they might surprise you on the ride. i hit a pothole that i knew would have rattled the old 74 challenger, then it unexpectedly glided over said pot hole without incident. was impressive actually. check one out sometime.
 

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No, I definitely have not. I just assumed that it would have a somewhat "hard" ride - but I shouldn't assume. :) To me, even the Impala has a somewhat "hard" ride - at least compared to the Buicks that I've owned previously. I like the Buick floaty ride - always have. Truth is, while I like a sporty-looking car, it's not like I go hot-rodding around in them - just like the looks of them. I hate rattles and feeling every bump in the road.

But you are absolutely right - I need to test drive one before assuming... :) I was kind of surprised how reasonably they are priced.

I'm not that serious about buying yet, but I know that I want to replace my 2005 LaCrosse sooner rather than later, before it starts nickle-and-diming me (has one of those 4-speed trans that aren't so durable). My Impala is just about paid off, so I'll be without a payment soon, so time to trade the Buick, give the Impala to the wife and get something newer for my primary car. Just starting to think about it...
 
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