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Being in Canada, I was struck by the news that GM intends to shut down their Oshawa plant by the end of 2019. I've had three cars out of that plant, including my current Impala 2LTZ. But looking at the bigger news, it seems that Oshawa is only one of a few casualties. Lordstown is closing, and so is Hamtramck. The latter really struck me - isn't that the only other plant building Impalas? Is this the end of the road?
 

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Hate to answer my own question, but after reading some US news articles it would appear that this *is* the end of the road for the Impala. And the Cruze. And to Volt. Wow :-(
 

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Idiotic management, they pushed the Impala too far up the luxury scale, now they will lose good cars and potentially have holes in their offerings when gas spikes again. Sure trucks and SUVs are selling now but cars will come back around.
 

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SUVs, trucks and crossovers are great vehicles, but sedans are great cars too. Its a real shame that the plants that are closing down are all sedan production plants. :(
 

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I have a hard time believing in the "poor sedan sales" rhetoric I'm hearing. Impala's, Malibu's, XTS's, and the other sedans they are axing are everywhere. Can't tell me they weren't selling sedans, to me this is more mismanagement from GM...again



Maybe they could bring the Blazer up from Mexico and save some American jobs but we all know that won't happen.
 

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Idiotic management, they pushed the Impala too far up the luxury scale, now they will lose good cars and potentially have holes in their offerings when gas spikes again. Sure trucks and SUVs are selling now but cars will come back around.
I strongly agree with this, at first earlier this year GM said they would stand by the Impala. I was thinking with the fact Ford has disconnected their car line up in the coming years this will be good for GM. We are bound to have another recession and people will once again be looking at sedans and fuel efficient vehicles. Thus bringing in the Impala which GM had done 0 updates to in the last 5 years so you have to think they have paid off all the R&D at this point.

Now they are saying a full electric line up by 2023. Fuel efficient yes but I seriously doubt it will be cost friendly to a good portion of consumers especially when we hit another rescission. So bottom line wise it does not make as much sense to me. Lets not forget either the discontinuation of the Cruze. Which blows my mind even more.
 

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SUVs, trucks and crossovers are great vehicles, but sedans are great cars too. Its a real shame that the plants that are closing down are all sedan production plants. /images/ImpalaForums_toucan/smilies/tango_face_sad.png


Just another step in removing our National identity and moving us closer to the Global platform.
 

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Some of you may know my current daily driver is a 2014 Tesla Model S P85. I have had it over a year now, I am comfortable with electric cars, BUT they can not replace gas for a long time.

Even just rental cars how do you manage charging?
Lots of folks live in condos or apartments and can't get decent power to a car.

EV ownership works best and is easiest on the grid, when you charge at home overnight. Standard 120volt 15amp outlet delivers 3-4 miles of range per hour active, BUT that only works in warm climates. Lithium batteries can not he charged below freezing which means the battery must be heated, for this you need more current.

It is all doable but trying to go mainstream is premature.
Last winter I had a 30amp 240volt outlet for my car and went bigger for this year. Car can accept 80amps at 240 which is good for 58miles added per hour. If I leave amperage set that high topping off is very quick.

I think it is time for everyone to work on BEV but axing all traditional cars is just dumb.

FWIW, I don't think I am saving the environment, I bought it for 440tq from 0mph.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I swear that I still see more cars on the road than SUV's - so I don't quite understand how the car sales can be *that* bad where they have to basically stop making cars!

Maybe they are really just trying to push people into more expensive vehicles (aka SUVs)?

Not happy though. The problem is that I'm not sure where else to turn since all other manufacturers seem to be doing the same thing... Damn, I may actually have to revert to buying Dodge products in the future! I've always been a GM fan, but if they don't make anything I'm even remotely interested in, why would I buy from them? <sigh>

Like everyone else, I think it's incredibly short-sighted to go all-in on SUVs....
 

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The Impala, LaCrosse and Cadillac XTS were all built on the same platform, it makes sense they would all be ended at once.

The luxury car market (which the LaCrosse and Cadillac are certainly in) doesn't seem to favor Front Wheel Drive cars anymore.

BMW and Mercedes set the standard in the class, and they all RWD (with AWD options).

The Cadillac XTS was an after-thought in the Cadillac lineup, sort of put there for the more traditional Cadillac buyer and not trying to compete with BMW and Mercedes so much.



The smaller CTS and XTS had the same list price, $46K. The XTS is just a little bigger and roomier. The CTS has a bunch of expensive high performance variations, notably the CTS-V at $86K.

Cadillac didn't even try to build a $90,000 car out of their version of the Impala, that would be pointless.

The strange car that was included in the slaughter today is the Cadillac CT-6 sedan.

That care was supposed to be the new flagship.

At 206" long on a 122" wheelbase, vs. the CTS's 195" long on a 114" wheelbas and priced just a bit above the CTS at $50K to $90K, and crucially RWD -- it looked to be the new Cadillac that you might get to be chauffeured in. Also, it was sort of pointed at the China market. Maybe they will now build it in China only for China market. Or maybe there was just too much overlap with the existing vehicles.

In top trim the RWD with an optional 3.0 Twin Turbo V6 putting out 404 HP it looks good on paper.

But maybe buyers still preferred the CTS-V's -- which is impressive with a 6.2L Supercharged V8 w/ 640 hp and 630 lb-ft of torque & a claimed top "track" speed of 200 mph! A true super-performance sedan.

Looks like next year ends with only one Cadillac sedan: The CTS. Interesting!

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Buick, on assumes has similar issues with the platform.

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It was stlil working a lot better for Chevy, who sold 75,000 of them last year. But it's way down from the 175,000 of a few years ago and with all three brands trending down and GM only selling 1/3 as many of the trio as a few years ago ... time to say goodbye.

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Maybe GM will give Chevy a version of the CTS now? That would be great.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I swear that I still see more cars on the road than SUV's - so I don't quite understand how the car sales can be *that* bad where they have to basically stop making cars!
I read a while back - maybe a year or so ago when the news of the Impala's pending demise first became known - that part of the problem is the impact of excess used cars on the new car market. That is, until some of the cars already on the road start wearing out and need replacing, the demand for new sedans will be too low to justify continued production, at least not at the same levels.

Ford is cutting every sedan but its Focus, I think. So it makes sense Chevy might do similarly.

But in one or two years, we might see new models pop up, albeit less variety, I would expect.

In that vein, I see no mention of the Malibu, so I'm assuming it's still alive, along with its other GM siblings. I read that as GM consolidating their sedan offering to that platform, which is somewhere between the small Cruze and the larger Impala.
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On a side note, since the Malibu is on a short wheel base version of the same platform as the Impala, maybe they'll add the LFX as a Malibu option :) In the lighter platform, that might be a hot ride :)

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Car can accept 80amps at 240 which is good for 58miles added per hour. If I leave amperage set that high topping off is very quick.
80 amps! Dang, I bet that makes the meter spin fast :)

I think it is time for everyone to work on BEV but axing all traditional cars is just dumb.
The thought I have is that our 2-car households will morph into having one electric, and one gas.

The EV will be the town car, for getting to work and running errands. An all electric vehicle, with ~300 mile range, is way more than I need for my drive to work and back each day, 40 miles round trip, plus any errands I run.

Having seen from the air the brown bubble which envelops most metropolitan areas, it's understandable that pollution is mostly an urban issue. So going electric in town will help reduce that.

Conversely, burning gasoline on the highway, mostly between metro areas, does not impact the countryside so much. For vacations, driving 700 or 800 miles in a day is common, which gasoline vehicles do well, and can be "re-charged" in less than 5 minutes. OTOH, your Tesla needs hours of charge time (assuming an optimal charger) to get ~380 miles of range, thereby limiting the traveler to about half the daily distance of gasoline cars.

So I see EV's being mostly an urban thing where the pollution benefit is needed and the daily range is acceptable. But gasoline cars will still be favored as long haul platforms where the range is needed and the pollution output not so impactful.

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58miles per hour is at home, on the road I use the "supercharger network" proprietary Tesla, free for older cars like mine 200amps 400volts DC my car is rated to accept 142miles in 30minutes but as the battery fulls it slows the charging just like a quick charger on your phone. With a wife and two elementary school age girls, a gas stop is 20minutes. I haven't gone past Minneapolis which is round about 5 hours driving. We stop on Eau Claire and eat at Panera which is usually closer to an hour so the car gets more charge I haven't watched close hit I bet it gets over 200miles in that time.
Since it charges FAST at lower states of charge in the 10-20% range I see 350miles added per hour. If it is warm out the AC howls keeping it cool.

Long as we plan a meal on a 3-400mile trip I don't think the EV is really any slower long as you sit down to eat. I have mapped 16hour drive to the east coast and it estimates like 4-5 stops and under 3 hours charging. Some hotels are adding outlets for overnight charging too. In car Nav maps the Tesla Superchargers and included many hotels and destinations with the 80amp capable chargers like what I have at home.

It does require more planning and some more time than gas, but not as bad as people presume, and honestly taking a little more time at meals or the like while charging is a more relaxing trip if you can spare the time.
Far as cost, I don't have hard numbers but in theory it is maybe 1/3 the cost of gas. Since the battery has to be warm to charge it is less savings than that here in WI, but still certainly cheaper than the LS3 powered Sports Sedan it replaced that I was getting 17mpg on Premium with due to my short trips.
 

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It does require more planning and some more time than gas, but not as bad as people presume, and honestly taking a little more time at meals or the like while charging is a more relaxing trip if you can spare the time.
I think that's the key if you take it on the road. One of my colleagues has the high end model, and took it on a cross country trip last year. He scheduled his stops and charging such that he was doing 300 or so miles per day, and using the charging time to do some sightseeing and other touristy stuff.

Based on your post, it seems reasonable, assuming the charging resources are available, to plan 600 or more miles per day, which is plenty for most folks.

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When I was young it was all about the destination, get out of work have dinner plan departure so I would hit Chiraq sometime after 9-10pm drive thru the night..........
I am a middle-aged father of two now, that travel style doesn't work anymore not just for the kids but for me either, back aches eye strain legs falling asleep, whatever I am just no longer good for 900miles after working 8-10hours like I used to be.

Have not talked the wife into any road trips beyond Minneapolis yet.
 
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