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Are aoc, "pocohontas" liz warren, and the libs going to pay for all of us to do this conversion as part of their "green new deal"? Right after they get rid of gas, cows, guns, and coal.

Interesting, but not sure the target. Figure cost of fitment, the engine, and batteries likely would this out of touch for most working class folks. That leaves the wealthy folks who probably can already afford to buy a Tesla.
 

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it will certainly not be in my budget



 

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This stuff will be cost prohibitive for most for awhile but really an electric motor is cheap to make, once batteries become junkyard source-able.

Yeah I drive a Tesla, a 5yo 91K mile one though not a new one, the torque and response are all I ever wanted from a traditional V8. EVs are great to drive but despite the delusions of the left wont be replacing gas anytime soon. I wouldn't even say they should replace gas but do not poopoo the OPTION.

Prices have tumbled in recent years, these days a Model 3 while smaller than an Impala is priced around where Impalas were. the base Model S while still pricey is but $80K gets you 370miles of range, 3.7 seconds 0-60 no rollout, think it is 3.5 with in a car that comes standard with some "self driving" features. Still a heck of a lot of money, but a heck of a lot of features for the money too.

Tesla's pricing from a couple years ago was gouging the "believers" and today is falling more in line with reasonable pricing. The rest of the industry will be offering electric options within a few years.

aoc fauxahontas, bernie and the like haven't the slightest clue how the world functions, the green new deal is a bad idea every which way you look at it. Just today I had my 10yo read an article about how a researcher who had the nerve to admit polar bears are thriving lost her job for such heracy. Separate EVs from the lunatic left and they can be cool.
 

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This stuff will be cost prohibitive for most for awhile but really an electric motor is cheap to make, once batteries become junkyard source-able.

Yeah I drive a Tesla, a 5yo 91K mile one though not a new one, the torque and response are all I ever wanted from a traditional V8, and mine is 55% coal powered. EVs are great to drive but despite the delusions of the left wont be replacing gas anytime soon. I wouldn't even say they should replace gas but do not poopoo the OPTION.

Prices have tumbled in recent years, these days a Model 3 while smaller than an Impala is priced around where Impalas were. the base Model S while still pricey is but $80K gets you 370miles of range, 3.7 seconds 0-60 no rollout, think it is 3.5 with in a car that comes standard with some "self driving" features. Still a heck of a lot of money, but a heck of a lot of features for the money too.

Tesla's pricing from a couple years ago was gouging the "believers" and today is falling more in line with reasonable pricing. The rest of the industry will be offering electric options within a few years.

aoc fauxahontas, bernie and the like haven't the slightest clue how the world functions, the green new deal is a bad idea every which way you look at it. Just today I had my 10yo read an article about how a researcher who had the nerve to admit polar bears are thriving lost her job for such heresy. Separate EVs from the lunatic left and they can be cool.
 

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these days a Model 3 while smaller than an Impala is priced around where Impalas were.
Not even close. A used Model 3 is still well above the cost of an Impala. I have looked into getting a Tesla, but the cost of ownership is too high. I really enjoyed my Volt and would seriously consider owning another one.
 

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Until they can make a 15 minute full charge station and them make them as plentiful as gas stations I don't want an electric vehicle.
 
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Until they can make a 15 minute full charge station and them make them as plentiful as gas stations I don't want an electric vehicle.
That's one of my thoughts as well. But it's more of road trip need than a local commute need. That is, for most folks, a 300 mile range should get you to and from work and the mall, then plug it in at night to top it off.

You would still need a gas burner for vacation trips, unless you don't mind taking three days to drive from Louisville to Daytona :)

I could maybe see the two-car household evolving into one electric and one gasoline powered car. Even if both are driven daily, that would still reduce emissions in urban areas, where it's the most concentrated.

I'm still kind of skeptical - lots of things need to occur to make electric cars viable for widespread use, such as quick-charge batteries, which is a huge tech leap.

But the paradigm shift is happening - I have two neighbors both driving Teslas, so they're gaining some mind share. Meanwhile, I have three V-8's parked in the driveway :)

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I have nothing against EV's but I'd like to know how long the expected battery life is. When they eventually fail what will be the replacement price , plus installation cost , plus the environmental charge to dispose of the old batteries for which there is no infrastructure for that I have heard of.
 

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I know the left wing want to replace all gas and diesel vehicles with EV's but is there that much Lithium in the ground to do so , very very unlikely. As a go to work or the mall car ok for some but they will never take over as the "norm" . I'm glad it works for you Dwayne but it won't for me
 

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I have nothing against EV's but I'd like to know how long the expected battery life is. When they eventually fail what will be the replacement price , plus installation cost , plus the environmental charge to dispose of the old batteries for which there is no infrastructure for that I have heard of.
A-men!

Too many of the arguments in favor of alternative energy fail to look at all the costs, including disposal and the corresponding environmental impact. But that doesn't stop some people from calling my F-150 a baby killer :)

Seriously, we need to be looking for improvements that make sense. Of course, that starts in Asia. If we can make environmental improvements at reasonable costs in North America, we should, but the dirty air changes here will be measured in teaspoons compared to the gallons being expelled in China.

(Should I have used metric units in that analogy? :) )

And we also need to remind ourselves how much improvement we've made over the years. I can remember when you could just about fill up your car from the river in Cleveland! Our rivers and streams along with the air in our cities are vastly cleaner now than they were 50 years ago.

(BTW, I cannot tell you how pleasantly surprised I was my first time in Cleveland in 1989 - beautiful city and great Italian cuisine :) )

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Sure the US and Canada add a little pollution to the planet but it's minimal compared to China , India , etc. Those places will never embrace EV's or even care to. The Loony Left think our V8s are causing an Apocalypse , thats just BS.
My asshole Government imports Saudi Oil while blocking pipelines for our own oil. Here in B.C. I pay the highest price for gas in all of North America.
Don't get me started on that one eh Pauly
 

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I think Plug in hybrid and electrics with small extender engines of various types will take off before electric then takes over. I have even seen plans for some unique range extender engines (small turbine\jet, diesel, rotary, etc...). I love my battery powered snow blower and there are more positives so far than negatives. But the few negatives would really give me pause when placed into an automobile. Only been through one winter, but if the benefits of this thing can be applied to e-cars and some of the negatives can be solved by future tech, then I would be fine with an e-car down the road about 5-10 years.
 
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The Hybrid electric/gas car should have the gas engine charging the battery when using.
 

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I think Plug in hybrid and electrics with small extender engines of various types will take off before electric then takes over. I have even seen plans for some unique range extender engines (small turbine\jet, diesel, rotary, etc...).
Bob Lutz, former head guy at GM, makes the same point in one of his books, that it only takes a few cars with dead batteries stranded on the side of the road to make a negative impact on the market.

Basically, he advocates that all electrics have one hybrid characteristic, a basic dino engine that can charge the battery and prevent having to be towed home. Roadside service can bring a stranded driver a can of gas, but getting the batteries charged in that situation is not option - only towing is.

A 3-5 horsepower Briggs-and-Stratton turning a small generator seems like a reasonable addition to any purely electric vehicle.

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Not even close. A used Model 3 is still well above the cost of an Impala. I have looked into getting a Tesla, but the cost of ownership is too high. I really enjoyed my Volt and would seriously consider owning another one.
People are asking too much for used cars yet, base price of the 3 $39,500 for 250miles, autopilot, 5.2 seconds to 60mph which is brisk, looks like the 3.6 Impala is 6.2. A well optioned Impala could go over $40k so it isn't like they are all $28k, the 3 is a little more expensive, think there is a little tax incentive and electricity is cheaper than gas for most of us


Until they can make a 15 minute full charge station and them make them as plentiful as gas stations I don't want an electric vehicle.
This is a popular misconception, why do you need a 15 minute fill up when you can plug in in seconds in the evening at home? A model 3 is so efficient it can get something like 5miles per hour plugged in pulling 12amps from a 15amp 120volt wall outlet, plugged in for 10 hours a night that would be enough for a 50mile commute. Charging wise, the 3 at a superchargerdepending on the battery can soak up as much as 150kw at lower charge levels which works out to like 650mph charge rate which falls as the battery fills.
https://insideevs.com/news/343622/tesla-model-3-on-supercharger-v3-here-are-the-charging-specs/
So in a roadtrip a food and bathroom break of 20-30minutes can mean 200-270miles or range added. Granted it is not 3 minutes for 400miles like a gas car but better than most of you expect.
https://electrek.co/2018/08/10/tesla-supercharger-cover-99-us-population-within-150-miles/

I have nothing against EV's but I'd like to know how long the expected battery life is. When they eventually fail what will be the replacement price , plus installation cost , plus the environmental charge to dispose of the old batteries for which there is no infrastructure for that I have heard of.
Nobody really knows how long the batteries will last, the S and X, S having been in production since 2012 the pack warranty is 8 year unlimited mileage. Mine was delivered with 265miles of range and when I bought it at 65k was down to 256, an update since cut max cell voltage a little and full is 247miles with 91K miles on the odometer. If we are honest, dirty valves, or injectors, old plugs and catalytic converters probably mean by 100K a gas car probably losses near the same 6-7% fuel economy.

Expected "recycling" method for awhile is expected to be stationary storage. The batteries don't usually "die" they will slowly degrade or be salvaged from wrecked cars at which point even a degraded battery down 20-30% or more could still be useful as off peak or solar storage, the demand for such will use up the available batteries for years to come.

I know I sound like a green nut, I am not, just I make an effort to understand this stuff since I drive an EV.
 

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Some of my friends think Im daft for driving a 36 year old car with a V8 (my only car) even some on here might think the same , BUT some people buy a new car every couple of years , so considering the carbon footprint to manufacture a new car I'm more green than most , even though I hate the term Green.

 

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VW did major damage to diesel, but I am also impressed with some of the pure diesel power advancements I have read about. Which I think still have a role to fill for the next 10-15 years. Some of the small diesel cars over in Europe are getting 50 and 60 mpg right now, even under stricter emissions standards than ever. And VW/Audi/Bentley has a 4.0 Liter V8 performance diesel over in Europe that runs crazy fast times and still gets like 35 mpg equivalent on the highway.
 

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VW did major damage to diesel, but I am also impressed with some of the pure diesel power advancements I have read about. Which I think still have a role to fill for the next 10-15 years. Some of the small diesel cars over in Europe are getting 50 and 60 mpg right now, even under stricter emissions standards than ever. And VW/Audi/Bentley has a 4.0 Liter V8 performance diesel over in Europe that runs crazy fast times and still gets like 35 mpg equivalent on the highway.
These are the things the Left Wingnuts don't know about or bury because it doesn't fit their agenda
 
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