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Right, I see where you're coming from. But I can see where he's coming from as well.

As I said if he actually contributed to the community it might be a different story. But a quick Google search pulls up 19,500 videos on 'actuator replacement impala'. And that's probably included in 445,000 results of everything related to that search. So would it become a problem if everyone started linking their videos and doing nothing else on the forum? So without his video there are lots of other ones out there. And I've watched, or tried to watch his on this. But the incessant clicking that he's trying to talk over but you can't hear him defeats the purpose of his video. There are much better ones out there on it, and none of them have spammed the forum.

And while you might not see any rule violation, what you're doing is setting precedent so if everyone started just posting video links with no forum interaction that it would be okay to do. Do it for one, you have to do it for everyone. Sucks really. And while I respect you, I have to disagree with you on this issue.

As for the 'he's doing more then most'. I don't agree with that. Sure how much time does it take to throw a video together? Not much compared to going through the threads, helping those who need it. Maybe if he was more engaged in the forum, but he's not. 7 videos is nothing in the grand scheme of things around here. Especially when we all have the ability to search videos without this site. We come here for help, conversation and actual engagement when it comes to problems. What we don't come here for is hit and run posts linking to videos because actually engaging the group would be to hard.
You are exactly right. Maybe I should have contributed more before posting the video. But you will see that I will be on here more frequently to help with further problems.

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No, I am surprised that there isn't any video on it. Not my video in general. Just any video in the stickies is what I was speaking of.
Okay, my own comments easily misconstrued I admit, but my point was your entire reason for posting today was to promote your own video/channel/affiliation.


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Removing the fuse or the battery cable would get the actuator to stop making noise and also not let it to continue working.
Obviously...? It also would avoid the possibility of the new one inadvertently moving while being installed if plugged in before screwed in place.

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Forgive me for trying to help someone by making a video to show them how to replace their faulty actuator.
You make videos to make money. You posted this here because it was your newest content. Your videos skim over all procedures in edited fashion, make no mention of any safety practices, often show unsafe or improper procedures, you seem to never make mention of the use of any lubricants, locking compounds, torque specs, replacing of one time use fasteners or additional off camera steps that are required for a complete, proper, permanent, quality repair. You not only don't mention these things, you dont even show that you are performing these operations during your repair. I haven't seen a single new fastener, drop of loctite, dab of grease, torque spec, torque wrench, cleaning of mating surfaces, or even any attempt to illustrate any potential complexity a job may entail. Your videos serve to make every job seem quick, easy and low skill. They reduce the value of the effort and pride a quality mechanic puts into their work and diminishes what it takes to properly diagnose and repair vehicles.

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As far as the number of posts I have posted I just joined this forum in attempts to help people. You started with multiple posts I assume.
You joined nearly a year ago, and you made it to more than two actual posts without videos in them just today. We both started at zero, difference is I'm not here to profit off the community or those I help.

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Okay, my own comments easily misconstrued I admit, but my point was your entire reason for posting today was to promote your own video/channel/affiliation.



Obviously...? It also would avoid the possibility of the new one inadvertently moving while being installed if plugged in before screwed in place.


You make videos to make money. You posted this here because it was your newest content. Your videos skim over all procedures in edited fashion, make no mention of any safety practices, often show unsafe or improper procedures, you seem to never make mention of the use of any lubricants, locking compounds, torque specs, replacing of one time use fasteners or additional off camera steps that are required for a complete, proper, permanent, quality repair. You not only don't mention these things, you dont even show that you are performing these operations during your repair. I haven't seen a single new fastener, drop of loctite, dab of grease, torque spec, torque wrench, cleaning of mating surfaces, or even any attempt to illustrate any potential complexity a job may entail. Your videos serve to make every job seem quick, easy and low skill. They reduce the value of the effort and pride a quality mechanic puts into their work and diminishes what it takes to properly diagnose and repair vehicles.


You joined nearly a year ago, and you made it to more than two actual posts without videos in them just today. We both started at zero, difference is I'm not here to profit off the community or those I help.
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I'll Just agree to disagree. I'm not here to have an internet argument with you.
You cant agree to disagree with me...first that requires me to tolerate your assertion that youre here to help. I dont believe thats true.

Secondly I doubt anything Ive said can be refuted regarding my distaste for the way you have conducted your previous interactions with the forum, your violation of forum terms of use, or my scrutiny of your videos. You present yourself as a Master Certified technician, an educator and someone just here to help people. Your posts and content undeniably say otherwise.

Lets agree this is my opinion and you have yours.

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You cant agree to disagree with me...first that requires me to tolerate your assertion that youre here to help. I dont believe thats true.

Secondly I doubt anything Ive said can be refuted regarding my distaste for the way you have conducted your previous interactions with the forum, your violation of forum terms of use, or my scrutiny of your videos. You present yourself as a Master Certified technician, an educator and someone just here to help people. Your posts and content undeniably say otherwise.

Lets agree this is my opinion and you have yours.
I guess it's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter.

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@carnau - you're fine - most people will appreciate your videos - please feel free to continue to post links to them.


@others who are complaining about someone sharing their videos with other forum members:
Regardless of whether or not you like or agree with what this user posts, he is free to post links to these videos - just like anyone else is free to post whatever they like.

I for one, appreciate *any* Impala-related material that *anyone* shares. If you don't like what he posts, then simply ignore the posts and move on. It's unbelievable though - I've never seen another user get so much criticism for simply posting links to some videos that *they* spent their own time creating and sharing - that may be useful for others. So now we're criticising people because you feel that they are not doing enough or spending more time on the forum?? Give me a break... We appreciate *ANY* and *ALL* input here. I certainly don't see any rules being broken.

As to him making money from the videos - if true, then I say GOOD FOR HIM! It's not like he's posting links to videos that are completely unrelated to Impalas and trying to make money from it (which *would* be an issue). What he's posting is completely relevant and welcome here. I wish we had more members that did as much. Whether or not he makes money for his efforts from YouTube or anyone else is irrelevant.

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I guess it's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter.
Then obviously neither does yours, and it would seem youre not as inclined to end the interaction as you posted.

So I'll present my protestations as facts:

You ignore GM and recognized best practice safety procedures in your videos.

You omit important/required steps in proper repiars

You omit the use of proper tools and specifications in your videos

Your videos do not provide DIY'ers the necessary information to affect safe, reliable complete and permanent repairs, nor do you make mention of this fact in the video or your posts.

Your posts and signature violate forum terms of use as your videos, channel and links are monetized and offer affiliate marketing links.

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@carnau - he is free to post links to these videos - just like anyone else is free to post whatever they like.
Except for they arent.

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I for one, appreciate *any* Impala-related material that *anyone* shares. If you don't like what he posts, then simply ignore the posts and move on. It's unbelievable though - I've never seen another user get so much criticism for simply posting links to some videos that *they* spent their own time creating and sharing - that may be useful for others. So now we're criticising people because you feel that they are not doing enough or spending more time on the forum?? Give me a break... We appreciate *ANY* and *ALL* input here. I certainly don't see any rules being broken.
No, Im mainly criticizing him for the type, style, and content of his videos.

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As to him making money from the videos - if true, then I say GOOD FOR HIM! It's not like he's posting links to videos that are completely unrelated to Impalas and trying to make money from it (which *would* be an issue). What he's posting is completely relevant and welcome here. I wish we had more members that did as much. Whether or not he makes money for his efforts from YouTube or anyone else is irrelevant.
How does the subject matter of a members posts that are monetized/marketing links determine their relevancy or compliance with forum rules?

Ive been involved in the contribution, moderation, management and ownership of automotive forums for approaching 15 years, thinly veiled "helpful" posts concealing offsite marketing or for profit links are a huge problem for sites, perhaps to a lesser degree for a company like VerticalScope than to independent sites, but it doesnt change the fact that theres very little difference between a direct Amazon or pay-per-click link and what was posted here beside the fact that these offer "relevant" pretty picture, and "useful" content. It could in fact it would very easy to argue that these videos and links would do more to getting people to leave the site and purchase items, than an obvious spam bot message would.

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Except for they arent.


No, Im mainly criticizing him for the type, style, and content of his videos.


How does the subject matter of a members posts that are monetized/marketing links determine their relevancy or compliance with forum rules?

Ive been involved in the contribution, moderation, management and ownership of automotive forums for approaching 15 years, thinly veiled "helpful" posts concealing offsite marketing or for profit links are a huge problem for sites, perhaps to a lesser degree for a company like VerticalScope than to independent sites, but it doesnt change the fact that theres very little difference between a direct Amazon or pay-per-click link and what was posted here beside the fact that these offer "relevant" pretty picture, and "useful" content. It could in fact it would very easy to argue that these videos and links would do more to getting people to leave the site and purchase items, than an obvious spam bot message would.
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Look, it's simple. The guy makes YouTube videos regarding Impala-related repairs and he posts links to them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Plain and simple. If he makes money by people watching those videos, there is nothing wrong with that - and that is not something that we "control". If you don't like it, don't watch the videos. :-)

This is the last I will be posting on the subject. You can complain all you want, it's not going to change anything as there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.

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Listen if he was a paid vendor of the site, he could post as many click-bait half-assed DIY repair videos, links to chinese parts, Amazon store links, sell as many fuel line magnets, aluminum intake vortex generators, headlight eyelashes, bullet hole sticker, or brake caliper covers as he wanted, and i would respect his position to do so as a vendor supporting the forum and community.

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Listen if he was a paid vendor of the site, he could post as many click-bait half-assed DIY repair videos, links to chinese parts, Amazon store links, sell as many fuel line magnets, aluminum intake vortex generators, headlight eyelashes, bullet hole sticker, or brake caliper covers as he wanted, and i would respect his position to do so as a vendor supporting the forum and community.

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You agree not to post or otherwise make available content that constitutes or contains "affiliate marketing," "link referral code," or "unsolicited commercial advertisement."
He's not doing *any* of that on *this* site!! He's linking to a YouTube video (YouTube is NOT a "competing" web site!). He is not soliciting anything to anyone on *this* site. I don't see any advertisements in his posts.

Hell, MANY people (including myself) post direct links to purchase items from other site - on *this* site - he's not even doing that!

Again, I don't see that he's doing anything wrong whatsoever. I've asked other moderators to comment as well (in the moderator forum), but I don't see anything that breaks any rules. We run a pretty "loose" and friendly site here. I'd argue that your posts on this subject are closer to breaking any rules than his are if you want to get technical - cussing and spamming other users. :-)

We'll see what the group of moderators think - and if they agree with me, hopefully we can clean up this thread and delete all of these other USELESS posts.

Damn, and I said that I wasn't going to post anymore on the subject! :-)

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Ive only made one solitary post that wasnt a response to another members post, or a critique of the material presented in this thread. Spamming?

As for cussing, the only thing Ive typed that could remotely be construed as inappropriate or offensive language is my use of the idiom "half-assed" in post #26 . To which I shall happily choose more appropriate adult language if the moderators deem it necessary.

I anxiously await the consensus of the moderation team.

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You would think we would be on the same side. lol
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