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philf 11-26-2018 09:18 AM

End of the Impala?
 
Being in Canada, I was struck by the news that GM intends to shut down their Oshawa plant by the end of 2019. I've had three cars out of that plant, including my current Impala 2LTZ. But looking at the bigger news, it seems that Oshawa is only one of a few casualties. Lordstown is closing, and so is Hamtramck. The latter really struck me - isn't that the only other plant building Impalas? Is this the end of the road?

philf 11-26-2018 11:52 AM

Hate to answer my own question, but after reading some US news articles it would appear that this *is* the end of the road for the Impala. And the Cruze. And to Volt. Wow :-(

donmateo 11-26-2018 01:05 PM

This has been in the grapevine for awhile. Unfortunately sedan sales have plummeted and a lot of models are getting the axe.

Dwayne J 11-26-2018 01:38 PM

Idiotic management, they pushed the Impala too far up the luxury scale, now they will lose good cars and potentially have holes in their offerings when gas spikes again. Sure trucks and SUVs are selling now but cars will come back around.

Angus576 11-26-2018 01:59 PM

I hate crossovers and SUV's, they block traffic, sit too high and drive like crap compared to a car.

donmateo 11-26-2018 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwayne J (Post 3657509)
Sure trucks and SUVs are selling now but cars will come back around.

Short term memory. Wasn't that long ago that this same strategy brought companies to the brink of extinction.

Dave_N 11-26-2018 04:08 PM

SUVs, trucks and crossovers are great vehicles, but sedans are great cars too. Its a real shame that the plants that are closing down are all sedan production plants. :(

apguy 11-26-2018 08:02 PM

I have a hard time believing in the "poor sedan sales" rhetoric I'm hearing. Impala's, Malibu's, XTS's, and the other sedans they are axing are everywhere. Can't tell me they weren't selling sedans, to me this is more mismanagement from GM...again



Maybe they could bring the Blazer up from Mexico and save some American jobs but we all know that won't happen.

rjayl 11-27-2018 02:29 AM


04palaSS 11-27-2018 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwayne J (Post 3657509)
Idiotic management, they pushed the Impala too far up the luxury scale, now they will lose good cars and potentially have holes in their offerings when gas spikes again. Sure trucks and SUVs are selling now but cars will come back around.

I strongly agree with this, at first earlier this year GM said they would stand by the Impala. I was thinking with the fact Ford has disconnected their car line up in the coming years this will be good for GM. We are bound to have another recession and people will once again be looking at sedans and fuel efficient vehicles. Thus bringing in the Impala which GM had done 0 updates to in the last 5 years so you have to think they have paid off all the R&D at this point.

Now they are saying a full electric line up by 2023. Fuel efficient yes but I seriously doubt it will be cost friendly to a good portion of consumers especially when we hit another rescission. So bottom line wise it does not make as much sense to me. Lets not forget either the discontinuation of the Cruze. Which blows my mind even more.

mdubyk 11-27-2018 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_N (Post 3657541)
SUVs, trucks and crossovers are great vehicles, but sedans are great cars too. Its a real shame that the plants that are closing down are all sedan production plants. [IMG class=inlineimg]/images/ImpalaForums_toucan/smilies/tango_face_sad.png[/IMG]



Just another step in removing our National identity and moving us closer to the Global platform.

Dwayne J 11-27-2018 09:45 AM

Some of you may know my current daily driver is a 2014 Tesla Model S P85. I have had it over a year now, I am comfortable with electric cars, BUT they can not replace gas for a long time.

Even just rental cars how do you manage charging?
Lots of folks live in condos or apartments and can't get decent power to a car.

EV ownership works best and is easiest on the grid, when you charge at home overnight. Standard 120volt 15amp outlet delivers 3-4 miles of range per hour active, BUT that only works in warm climates. Lithium batteries can not he charged below freezing which means the battery must be heated, for this you need more current.

It is all doable but trying to go mainstream is premature.
Last winter I had a 30amp 240volt outlet for my car and went bigger for this year. Car can accept 80amps at 240 which is good for 58miles added per hour. If I leave amperage set that high topping off is very quick.

I think it is time for everyone to work on BEV but axing all traditional cars is just dumb.

FWIW, I don't think I am saving the environment, I bought it for 440tq from 0mph.

jtrosky 11-27-2018 10:33 AM

Maybe it's just me, but I swear that I still see more cars on the road than SUV's - so I don't quite understand how the car sales can be *that* bad where they have to basically stop making cars!

Maybe they are really just trying to push people into more expensive vehicles (aka SUVs)?

Not happy though. The problem is that I'm not sure where else to turn since all other manufacturers seem to be doing the same thing... Damn, I may actually have to revert to buying Dodge products in the future! I've always been a GM fan, but if they don't make anything I'm even remotely interested in, why would I buy from them? <sigh>

Like everyone else, I think it's incredibly short-sighted to go all-in on SUVs....

[email protected] 11-27-2018 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rjayl (Post 3657583)

The Impala, LaCrosse and Cadillac XTS were all built on the same platform, it makes sense they would all be ended at once.

The luxury car market (which the LaCrosse and Cadillac are certainly in) doesn't seem to favor Front Wheel Drive cars anymore.

BMW and Mercedes set the standard in the class, and they all RWD (with AWD options).

The Cadillac XTS was an after-thought in the Cadillac lineup, sort of put there for the more traditional Cadillac buyer and not trying to compete with BMW and Mercedes so much.



The smaller CTS and XTS had the same list price, $46K. The XTS is just a little bigger and roomier. The CTS has a bunch of expensive high performance variations, notably the CTS-V at $86K.

Cadillac didn't even try to build a $90,000 car out of their version of the Impala, that would be pointless.

The strange car that was included in the slaughter today is the Cadillac CT-6 sedan.

That care was supposed to be the new flagship.

At 206" long on a 122" wheelbase, vs. the CTS's 195" long on a 114" wheelbas and priced just a bit above the CTS at $50K to $90K, and crucially RWD -- it looked to be the new Cadillac that you might get to be chauffeured in. Also, it was sort of pointed at the China market. Maybe they will now build it in China only for China market. Or maybe there was just too much overlap with the existing vehicles.

In top trim the RWD with an optional 3.0 Twin Turbo V6 putting out 404 HP it looks good on paper.

But maybe buyers still preferred the CTS-V's -- which is impressive with a 6.2L Supercharged V8 w/ 640 hp and 630 lb-ft of torque & a claimed top "track" speed of 200 mph! A true super-performance sedan.

Looks like next year ends with only one Cadillac sedan: The CTS. Interesting!

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Buick, on assumes has similar issues with the platform.

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It was stlil working a lot better for Chevy, who sold 75,000 of them last year. But it's way down from the 175,000 of a few years ago and with all three brands trending down and GM only selling 1/3 as many of the trio as a few years ago ... time to say goodbye.

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Maybe GM will give Chevy a version of the CTS now? That would be great.

plano-doug 11-27-2018 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 3657653)
Maybe GM will give Chevy a version of the CTS now? That would be great.

That was essentially the SS, right? Different but comparable platform (Holden). Pretty much the same motor.

Doug

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