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That takes you right past the USS Massachusetts battleship, right? I've been on her twice.

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I had to look it up... That's over three hours South in Fall River Mass near the I195 bridge over the North end of Mt Hope Bay.

The Tilton exit off I93 is about 1/2 hour north of Concord NH.
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I had to look it up... That's over three hours South in Fall River Mass near the I195 bridge over the North end of Mt Hope Bay.

The Tilton exit off I93 is about 1/2 hour north of Concord NH.
I'm gonna blame that on my computer I swear, yesterday, when I put Tilton and Campton into Google maps , it took me right thru Fall River. Today, nowhere near there

That said, it you ever get down that way, they have a really nice Navy museum there. Besides the Massachusetts, they have some very nicely preserved PT boats - the 12-cylinder engines are impressive

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Who knows, I just may make a Dodge Challenger my next car! :-) I never thought that I would say that, but if GM isn't going to make cars that I like, I'll just buy from another US company that is. I refuse to buy a car from a foreign company, regardless of where it's made (not wanting to debate that whole thing again though). :-) I rarely drive in the snow anymore, so I can probably get away with a rear-wheel drive car nowadays...

Then again, the used market will be plentiful for a while - probably at least until they decide to start making cars again once poeple start getting tired of SUVs. ;-)
I can say that a Challenger Scat Pack doesn't ride as hard as some other performance cars, but it is not a soft ride, either. Check out the new Buick LaCrosse. They say the 3.6L is fast, the new LaCrosse handles well, and of course, rides good! My mom always had a Buick, so I certainly know what you mean about their ride. There's always the Cadillac ATS-V (https://www.cadillac.com/v-series). You'll a good ride...and fast!!
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Honestly, I already have a LaCrosse and I don't think it's big enough. My 2012 Impala seems so much bigger. Unfortunately, Buick quit making "big" cars. IMO, the last "big" car that they made was the Buick Lucerne and from what I've read, that wasn't a very good car. The last big Buick I actually owned was a LaSabre (2000 or 2002 - can't remember) - it was OK, but wasn't real big on quality either. It did have a nice ride though. Not sure what I'm going to do yet. Might look at a Challenger, some for of Cadillac and maybe even a 9th gen Impala. I think the Cadillacs would be more than I want to pay though.
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Honestly, I already have a LaCrosse and I don't think it's big enough. My 2012 Impala seems so much bigger. Unfortunately, Buick quit making "big" cars. IMO, the last "big" car that they made was the Buick Lucerne and from what I've read, that wasn't a very good car. The last big Buick I actually owned was a LaSabre (2000 or 2002 - can't remember) - it was OK, but wasn't real big on quality either. It did have a nice ride though. Not sure what I'm going to do yet. Might look at a Challenger, some for of Cadillac and maybe even a 9th gen Impala. I think the Cadillacs would be more than I want to pay though.
The Chryslers I've driven as rental cars seem pretty cheaply built for the price of them.

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The Chryslers I've driven as rental cars seem pretty cheaply built for the price of them.
Almost every single review I've read of the Challenger AWD V6 (aka "GT") have been very positive. Let's face it, I'm also coming from a 2012 Impala LT - which, while I do like it, is also a "cheply" built car - probably even more so.

One thing I was surprised at was just how heavy the Challengers are - they weigh even more that the 8th gen Impalas.

I think I've convinced myself to go test drive the 2018 GT at some point. For me, the ride comfort is going to the be the biggest thing. While I know the ride won't be as good as a Buick, or even my 2012 Impala, I'm hoping that it's not too "harsh".

From what I've read, the AWD system works really well in snow - although it's also another "something" that can and will break eventually.

I just really like the way the Challenger looks. I think the V6 would be plenty of power for me and my uses. I'm still very happy with the V6 in my 2012, and the V6 in the Challenger GT is basically exactly the same in terms of power (although, the car is a little heavier) - but I still VERY rarely need or use the full amount of power available in my 2012, so it's really a non-issue for me.

Driving a Dodge will be a big change - I'm *always* been a GM guy, so that will be interesting. :-)
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Most of my personal experience with mopar has been rentals, including a Grand Caravan I was the first renter of gave it to me with 3 miles, at 135miles the tranny was fried. Was not hotrodding had a rearfacing carseat with 6month old in it.
Had a 4500mile Pacifica that rattled and squeaked like someone forgot the 1or maybe 2 at the front of the number. Most recent Durango was fine.

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^ As a side note, fwiw, the newer awd Taurus also has had many problems with their power transfer unit (ptu) and its so-called "lifetime" fluid failing and destroying the ptu.
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I'm really "conflicted" on whether or not to purchase that Challenger. Like I mentioned, I really wasn't planning on going car shopping quite this soon, but at the same time, I'd like to trade in my 2005 LaCrosse before I start having issues (transmission especially) and before it's basically worth nothing (even now, it's only worth about $1,500 for trade-in).


A few things about that specific Challenger that I don't like:
- No remote start (but it seems like this can be added for like $300 for a genuine factory remote start - seems like a plug-and-play install from the VERY brief research I've done). Any Dodge people out there familair with this?
- No sunroof, but honestly, I almost never use mine in my Impala, so this is not a big deal for me.
- Leather seats. Generally speaking, I prefer cloth seats.

Things that I *do* like about this specific Challenger:
- White exterior color
- AWD (V6, but I'm fine with that).
- Used, but practically new (only ~3k miles)
- Been on the lot for few months (down to $29k from $35k) - which means I can probably get them down to $27k
- These things get GREAT reviews all around.

I'm just thinking that finding a used, white, AWD version with so such low mileage at a good price may not be somehting that I can get anytime I want, so it may be a "now or much later" type of thing.

Thoughts? Advice? Do you think it's realistic of me to expect them to come down $2k on a car that has already come down ~$6k over the last three months?
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I'm really "conflicted" on whether or not to purchase that Challenger. Like I mentioned, I really wasn't planning on going car shopping quite this soon, but at the same time, I'd like to trade in my 2005 LaCrosse before I start having issues (transmission especially) and before it's basically worth nothing (even now, it's only worth about $1,500 for trade-in).


A few things about that specific Challenger that I don't like:
- No remote start (but it seems like this can be added for like $300 for a genuine factory remote start - seems like a plug-and-play install from the VERY brief research I've done). Any Dodge people out there familair with this?
- No sunroof, but honestly, I almost never use mine in my Impala, so this is not a big deal for me.
- Leather seats. Generally speaking, I prefer cloth seats.

Things that I *do* like about this specific Challenger:
- White exterior color
- AWD (V6, but I'm fine with that).
- Used, but practically new (only ~3k miles)
- Been on the lot for few months (down to $29k from $35k) - which means I can probably get them down to $27k
- These things get GREAT reviews all around.

I'm just thinking that finding a used, white, AWD version with so such low mileage at a good price may not be something that I can get anytime I want, so it may be a "now or much later" type of thing.

Thoughts? Advice? Do you think it's realistic of me to expect them to come down $2k on a car that has already come down ~$6k over the last three months?
maybe not another 2k, but i bet a remote starter could be thrown in as part of the deal. worst case if you end up not liking the car in a year or two you can always part ways. you have plenty of bumper to bumper warranty, and can always purchase an aftermarket warranty (i've had great luck with route 66 personally). if the seats are heated/cooled then that helps with the leather tremendously in the summer/winter. i found when purchasing my truck both dealers i looked at seriously were pricing at the bottom-middle of KBB values. they said they wouldn't budge but when it came down to final negotiations i said i had to have a payment within a certain range and they made it happen without issue. so that tells me they can move on the price but chose not to. if they don't come down to what you want, you can always walk away and wait it out since your buick still runs fine. but being as how that car has been there for 3 months, i'd bet they're dying to get it out of there and may take the hit. the local dodge dealer told me they take a penalty from dodge for keeping cars more than a month on their lot.

hope this helps a little. if they won't budge, i'd get them for the extras like undercoating, better stereo etc.
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Thank you! That is all great advice and helps a lot. I'll be honest, I'm not very good at "dickering" - I hate it. I just want to agree on a price and be done with it.

I would also prefer to have everything agreed-upon and lined up so that if, after test-driving the vehicle, I like it and decide to purchase, that I leave there with it that day - espeically since this particualar dealer is about 45 minutes away - I don't want to be going back multiple times to get the deal done.

I'm going to talk to the wife and I think I'll shoot them an email stating this is what I want, assuming I like the car after test driving it:

$27k w/$1500 trade-in for my Buick LaCrosse.

If they balk, then I'll say OK - $28k and they throw in the remote start - and $1500 for my LaCrosse.

If they don't take it, then I'll walk. Since I'm not in a "must buy now" scenerio, I can afford to walk if I don't get the deal I want.

Think that is reasonable?

Regaridng the extended warranty - usually, you can purchase that later if you want it. Being that I would have so much warranty left, I think I'd hold off and buy it later dependng on the number of issues I have with it. That way, if I decide to get rid of the car after 2 or 3 years, I don't have to fight to get my money back for the extended warranty.
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yeah you can do that. just make it very clear to them, i'm here one time. if i don't like it, i'm walking away and i won't be back. you drove 45 minutes to see this one car, give me a reason to take it home. as i tell you this i will admit i'm terrible about haggling, i just want it get it and be done with it as well. but if you can walk away that says a lot to the dealer and they may come down a little. being that you do have a trade in, that would help you with the bartering as well, i didn't have one so i couldn't use that as a negotiating piece.

i will tell you this as well, go to the bank first and get some financing. i found out the dealer makes money on you if you finance through them. i was given a 1.5% high rate through a local credit union when the dealer ran the finance options. i went to my bank monday morning and they came out with 3.39% at 7 years (i needed the lower payment and the truck was new enough for me), plus i got the extended warranty and gap insurance.

realistically if you don't feel good about buying the car for the price being offered, you won't be happy with it the whole time you're paying on it. just walk away at that point, i see 6 cylinder challengers for 20k all day long, but they do have 20-40k miles on them. hell i see 5.7 hemi challengers for 24-26k with 20k-40k miles all day long as well. fruit for thought.
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I think the AWD is what costs the $$$ - and honestly, if it weren't for the AWD option, I probably wouldn't consider a Challenger at all. So yes, you can find the V6 RWD versions (and even the V8 versions) a lot cheaper - especially if you want one that is a few years old and/or with 20k-40k miles. I like the fact that it is a 2018 AWD and that it only has 3k miles. It's basically a new car without paying the full new car price. :-)

While I'd like a V8 AWD version, they don't offer one. So V6 AWD it is. Also, I think the insurance will be a lot less with the V6 as well.

I was reading that they sell far more V6 Challengers than they do V8 Challengers. It seems a lot of people (like me) like the styling of the Challenger and are perfectly happy with a 300hp V6. Apparently, that is why they only offer the AWD option for the V6 model - simply becuase that is where most of their sales are (the V6). Look at it this way, the V6 is still more powerful than the original V8 Challengers from back in the day! :-)

Thanks again for the input. Now it's time to talk to the wife.... :-)
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Rent one for two or three days from one of the big rental outfits that take better care of their vehicles. Hertz or Enterprise or National or Avis.
It lets you see if you like the thing after it's been driven like a rental car... rode hard and put away wet.
If it's hanging together after Tom Dick and Harry along with Hot Rod Hannah and Lead Foot Louise have driven it like they stole it that says a bit for the build quality.

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Well, I'm now the proud owner of the 2018 Dodge Challenger GT described above! I went and picked it up today. Have a lot to learn about it now. :-)

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2C3CDZGG6JH306162

Thanks everyone for all of your input!

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