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Maybe it's just me, but I swear that I still see more cars on the road than SUV's - so I don't quite understand how the car sales can be *that* bad where they have to basically stop making cars!
I read a while back - maybe a year or so ago when the news of the Impala's pending demise first became known - that part of the problem is the impact of excess used cars on the new car market. That is, until some of the cars already on the road start wearing out and need replacing, the demand for new sedans will be too low to justify continued production, at least not at the same levels.

Ford is cutting every sedan but its Focus, I think. So it makes sense Chevy might do similarly.

But in one or two years, we might see new models pop up, albeit less variety, I would expect.

In that vein, I see no mention of the Malibu, so I'm assuming it's still alive, along with its other GM siblings. I read that as GM consolidating their sedan offering to that platform, which is somewhere between the small Cruze and the larger Impala.
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On a side note, since the Malibu is on a short wheel base version of the same platform as the Impala, maybe they'll add the LFX as a Malibu option In the lighter platform, that might be a hot ride

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Car can accept 80amps at 240 which is good for 58miles added per hour. If I leave amperage set that high topping off is very quick.
80 amps! Dang, I bet that makes the meter spin fast

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I think it is time for everyone to work on BEV but axing all traditional cars is just dumb.
The thought I have is that our 2-car households will morph into having one electric, and one gas.

The EV will be the town car, for getting to work and running errands. An all electric vehicle, with ~300 mile range, is way more than I need for my drive to work and back each day, 40 miles round trip, plus any errands I run.

Having seen from the air the brown bubble which envelops most metropolitan areas, it's understandable that pollution is mostly an urban issue. So going electric in town will help reduce that.

Conversely, burning gasoline on the highway, mostly between metro areas, does not impact the countryside so much. For vacations, driving 700 or 800 miles in a day is common, which gasoline vehicles do well, and can be "re-charged" in less than 5 minutes. OTOH, your Tesla needs hours of charge time (assuming an optimal charger) to get ~380 miles of range, thereby limiting the traveler to about half the daily distance of gasoline cars.

So I see EV's being mostly an urban thing where the pollution benefit is needed and the daily range is acceptable. But gasoline cars will still be favored as long haul platforms where the range is needed and the pollution output not so impactful.

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58miles per hour is at home, on the road I use the "supercharger network" proprietary Tesla, free for older cars like mine 200amps 400volts DC my car is rated to accept 142miles in 30minutes but as the battery fulls it slows the charging just like a quick charger on your phone. With a wife and two elementary school age girls, a gas stop is 20minutes. I haven't gone past Minneapolis which is round about 5 hours driving. We stop on Eau Claire and eat at Panera which is usually closer to an hour so the car gets more charge I haven't watched close hit I bet it gets over 200miles in that time.
Since it charges FAST at lower states of charge in the 10-20% range I see 350miles added per hour. If it is warm out the AC howls keeping it cool.

Long as we plan a meal on a 3-400mile trip I don't think the EV is really any slower long as you sit down to eat. I have mapped 16hour drive to the east coast and it estimates like 4-5 stops and under 3 hours charging. Some hotels are adding outlets for overnight charging too. In car Nav maps the Tesla Superchargers and included many hotels and destinations with the 80amp capable chargers like what I have at home.

It does require more planning and some more time than gas, but not as bad as people presume, and honestly taking a little more time at meals or the like while charging is a more relaxing trip if you can spare the time.
Far as cost, I don't have hard numbers but in theory it is maybe 1/3 the cost of gas. Since the battery has to be warm to charge it is less savings than that here in WI, but still certainly cheaper than the LS3 powered Sports Sedan it replaced that I was getting 17mpg on Premium with due to my short trips.
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It does require more planning and some more time than gas, but not as bad as people presume, and honestly taking a little more time at meals or the like while charging is a more relaxing trip if you can spare the time.
I think that's the key if you take it on the road. One of my colleagues has the high end model, and took it on a cross country trip last year. He scheduled his stops and charging such that he was doing 300 or so miles per day, and using the charging time to do some sightseeing and other touristy stuff.

Based on your post, it seems reasonable, assuming the charging resources are available, to plan 600 or more miles per day, which is plenty for most folks.

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When I was young it was all about the destination, get out of work have dinner plan departure so I would hit Chiraq sometime after 9-10pm drive thru the night..........
I am a middle-aged father of two now, that travel style doesn't work anymore not just for the kids but for me either, back aches eye strain legs falling asleep, whatever I am just no longer good for 900miles after working 8-10hours like I used to be.

Have not talked the wife into any road trips beyond Minneapolis yet.
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So what does this mean? Repair parts for the impala will go up substantially in a few years?
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So what does this mean? Repair parts for the impala will go up substantially in a few years?
No, they are required to make replacement parts for 7-10 (cant recall which) years after a vehicle has been discontinued. Thats not counting aftermarket either so I wouldn't worry about that.

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I heard about this a couple days ago. My first thought was
"Well I aint gonna buy me no Impala/Buick/etc to get one of the last ones that's for sure".

Cant believe that a few thousand people that put these things together are gonna be real motivated to put them together all that well seeing as how most of them are gonna be kicking horse turds down the road in a year or so.

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Pretty short sighted of the GM ( and the other manufacturers ) to go all in on electric vehicles.
The power gird is aging, there are warnings that come out during the summer all over the US and a number of the larger centres in Canada that "Peak Demand" has exceeded last years record, and brown outs and system failures, having to import power from other places, use your oven/stove after 7pm etc etc etc.

Now, add everyone plugging in their vehicles at 1630-1700 every night just as your AC is raging, or in the winter when your electric baseboards are firing up and drawing another 80 to 200 amps all night long. It's fine for now with minimal EV's but in a few years, where most families have 2 or 3 vehicles and WOW !

Was your present neighbourhood built with that kind of electrical infrastructure?
Mine was built in the late 70's and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO it wasn't.


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Wow. Sice 2003 I’ve been an impala guy. Had 3 so far. 2003, 2008, and now I have a 2016. I love these cars. I’m pissed about this
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I saw this coming. GM sold more Impalas as fleet vehicles than they did to regular consumers, especially the Gen 8 model. The Gen 9 sold like hotcakes in 2014. I remember reading an article that the Detroit-Hamtramck plant added an extra shift to keep up with the demand. Now, they are among the worst-selling GM vehicles and they're shutting down that very same plant. What a difference 4 years make.

I don't think that sedans will ever make a comeback because they just aren't selling and GM and the other automakers are already pushing the compact SUVs and crossovers, like the Chevy Trax which gets great gas mileage but has a weak, underpowered engine. My wife got a Trax as a loaner and I was not impressed at all. However, the average car-buyer will just accept what's available without a fight.

What's funny about GM is they said they're going to shift their focus to electrics and autonomous vehicles but their cancelling the Volt? You can't sell that but you're going to focus on more electrics? Makes no sense to me. The only electric car I am even remotely interested in is Tesla but they are pricey. I predict that one of the big three (Maybe GM) is going to acquire Tesla or at least merge with them.

As for autonomous cars, I'm not interested in that. I actually like to drive. I usually welcome the opportunity to be an early adapter of ground-breaking technology but I'm gonna sit this one out.

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It's a business, plain and simple! I can understand GM's point of view when these plants are running at 33%. According to GM's words if a volume unit reaches around 50K units a year it becomes a losing proposition.

But GM can try to merge some of these plants like Oshawa and Hamtramck both Impala. Also when Ford is backing away from sedans GM should receive most of those consumers?

Also building these so called all electric cars and autonomous. Where are you going to build these GM?Apparently Mary Barra and GM has learned how to crap cars out of thin air?

I agree with statements above with the aging power grid, and the extra load will overwhelm the system in short term if this will actually catch on! On the same subject last time I checked the power generation comes at some sort of cost, solar, hydro have the least impact on the air. But nucular and coal have lasting issues and natural gas is still has an impact.

A few of the members mentioned that you only buy used and I understand it's your money! But you can also see you are part of the issue.

I have purchased or leased 26 new GM vehicles and 4 used and I have been driving for 32 years. My dad has two Impalas and we have one plus two newer Silverados. I have done my part to buy American made or U.S. based corporations as much as I possibly can. All of our appliances are Whirlpool.

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"What a revolting development this is"! Fear not, when they get to old to climb up into those SUV's, things will change (I won't be here to see it, but that's OK). A 60 year run for Impala ain't bad either.

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So now what am I supposed to do with our custom plate and plate wrapper that says VladThe Impala? In a few years there won't be a new model Impala to buy and no way will I have the resources to spend on a classic model.
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Don't worry, I have a feeling the Impala will be back in production again in the near future... They've quit making it before - and it came back. I suspect we'll see the same thing again. Then you'll be ahead of the game with the Impala plate! ;-)
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I heard about this a couple days ago. My first thought was
"Well I aint gonna buy me no Impala/Buick/etc to get one of the last ones that's for sure".

Cant believe that a few thousand people that put these things together are gonna be real motivated to put them together all that well seeing as how most of them are gonna be kicking horse turds down the road in a year or so.

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Pretty short sighted of the GM ( and the other manufacturers ) to go all in on electric vehicles.
The power gird is aging, there are warnings that come out during the summer all over the US and a number of the larger centres in Canada that "Peak Demand" has exceeded last years record, and brown outs and system failures, having to import power from other places, use your oven/stove after 7pm etc etc etc.

Now, add everyone plugging in their vehicles at 1630-1700 every night just as your AC is raging, or in the winter when your electric baseboards are firing up and drawing another 80 to 200 amps all night long. It's fine for now with minimal EV's but in a few years, where most families have 2 or 3 vehicles and WOW !

Was your present neighbourhood built with that kind of electrical infrastructure?
Mine was built in the late 70's and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO it wasn't.


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The grid is not setup to handle that kind of demand and electricity generation causes pollution of various flavors as well.
Coal, Natural Gas, Hydro, Wind, and Solar... All of them have serious but differing environmental impacts.

I can see another possible downside... Once the nation has been moved over to electric vehicles electricity "shortages" from pollution regulations will be used to control the mobility of the population. Don't believe it? Wait.
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