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Exactly... And for times where you don't want to connect online (or can't for whatever reason), you can store tons of music locally on SD or USB thumb drive and play it locally as well. So many cool music players for Android - and just about all of them support playlists too (and they all can use "shared' playlists as well - so one playlist is accessible from all music players) - so, so much flexibility! Completely different experience than the "you get want the manufacturer gives you - and you live with it" that I'm used to with WinCE units.

After I get the Hizpo and spend a little time with it, I'll install one or the other in-car and do some real-world testing and report back. But having a full-blown Android in-car is just freaking awesome. Not to mention apps like Torque and navigation apps (Waze for online, iGo Primo Nextgen for offline, etc).

I need to make sure sound quality is up to par next though. I really do wish there was a unit with IPS screen and DSP chip... Oh well, for as cheap as these units are, you can always upgrade in a few years when more high-end units come to market.
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Now I'm thinking.... I have the Dynavin N7, which has a nice anti-glare IPS screen - and the faceplate of the Dynavin and the Eonon are basically the same. I'm wondering if I could "transplant" the anti-glare IPS screen from my Dynavin over to the Eonon (not the whole faceplate, just the sceen itself). :-) They are both 1024x600 screens. Hmm.... All depends on whether or not the cables that connect the screen are in the same physical locations or not...
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Now I'm thinking.... I have the Dynavin N7, which has a nice anti-glare IPS screen - and the faceplate of the Dynavin and the Eonon are basically the same. I'm wondering if I could "transplant" the anti-glare IPS screen from my Dynavin over to the Eonon (not the whole faceplate, just the sceen itself). :-) They are both 1024x600 screens. Hmm.... All depends on whether or not the cables that connect the screen are in the same physical locations or not...
So you want to take an IPS screen and put it into a unit that uses a TN screen? I would try for an answer from the manufacturer, or you take the risk of blowing the screen, and / or the video circuitry. Screens are not necessarily interchangeable just because the resolution is the same. If they were, we could yank yukky TN screens in some of our laptops and put in nice IPS screens, but it doesn't work that way.

I recently converted my Lenovo Thinkpad from a TN screen to an IPS screen. That required a new IPS screen, and a $75 converter board from a specialty manufacturer in China (it is not a Lenovo product). And that board only works for that particular model.
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It was just a thought... Usually, these radios are very "modular" in that the "screen" actually has a board attached to it and the unit just has a video signal to/from the screen. So they may or not be intechangable - I'm really not sure. But I'm glad you said something - I wouldn't want to try it and ruin something. :-)

FYI - I received the Hizpo unit and did some testing and guess what? The screen in the Hizpo behaves *exactly* like the screen in the Eonon. There is absolutely no difference. So either Hizpo is full of BS about it having an IPS screen or both the Eonon and the Hizpo actually have an IPS screen. I've read that a good TN screen can actually be better than a cheap IPS screen, so I guess it depends more on the quality of the screen than the "type".

Really, the only issue is when looking at gray text on a white background at extreme angles from above - it has that reverse video look - but only with grey text on a white backround - all other colors seems OK. I don't think it's going to be a real-world issue at all the more I mess with it - I'll never be looking at the screen from those extreme angles anyway in real life.

Between the Hizpo and the Eonon, I definitely like the Eonon better. I like it better becuase:

- It sends ALL video to the video output jacks (Hizpo only outputs video from DVD and Aux input) - Howver, I did find that both units will let you use navigation while sending DVD/Aux video to video out jacks. If you switch to any other app, you get no video (Hizpo) or a mirror of the other app (Eonon). But you still have to listen to the DVD/Aux audio - there is no way to send video to the video outs while listening to some other source on the head-unit. So no "true" dual-zone here...
- It has (2) SD card slots - one dedicated to offline GPS and one dedicated to media (Hizpo has only one SD slot labeled for GPS, but you could use it for whaever you want)
- The knobs on the Hizpo feel a little cheaper (loose)
- The Eonon actually seems to perform a little better (for example, the default music player would skip every once in a while while it was scanning the media for album art, etc). Eonon did not do that at all.
- The Hizpo seemed to run hotter.
- The highs on the Hizpo seemed a little distorted or something (with my test speaker)

I just feel that the Eonon is a better-built unit with more R&D. It seems to have newer MCU code as well (the code that is the "go between" between the radio and the car.

That being said, I do like the faceplate look of the Hizpo a little better (has little "covers" over the aux input and full-sized USB port on the faceplate - whereas they are just "there" in the open on the Eonon) - although those little covers are a PITA if/when you want to actually use the aux/USB ports too, so... And the Hizpo actually has an amp-turn-on wire, unlike the Eonon! But thats about it - everything else on the Eonon is better.

Now I'm really not sure if these units have IPS screens or TN screens. Hell, for that matter, I'm not sure if the Rosen/Advents/Dynavins have IPS or TN screens either! Since the WinCE unit really don't have gray-on-white screens, I really don't know if they behave the same as the Eonon/Hizpo or not. It may be that they ALL have TN screens. :-) I'm really not sure to be 100% sure either way.

So I'm going to install the Eonon unit in-car this weekend and go from there. Hopefully, all goes well and I'm still as thrilled with the unit after i install it in-car. :-)

I will be sending the Hizpo back.

Eventually, I'll root the Eonon and installer Viper4Android to give me better EQ and sound options (Viper4Andorid is like a "software DSP" for Android- but requires root).
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I would love to see pictures/video once everything is installed within the cabin of the car, on what unit you ended with and how it all looks/works. Thanks!!
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So I still haven't installed the Eonon into my car yet... There are a few reasons why:

1. I'm taking the car to get inspected tomorrow. Since I normally disconnect the battery when swapping head-units (even plug-and-play units), I don't want to disconnect the battery until after inspection - otherwise, it resets the emissions tests - which means I can't get it inspected until they reset (which can take awhile - unless I "fake" them with HPTuners).

2. I'm still messing with differnet apps and setups - and that is just so much easier "on the bench"... So far, my go-to offline music player is Poweramp and I have iGo Primo Nextgen setup for offline navigation. Will use multiple apps for on-line "stuff" (Pandora, Spotify, Google Music, Waze, Google Maps, etc).

3. I'm contemplating rooting it before installation. I really want to install Viper4Android and it requires root. But I don't want to mess with rooting it until I have factory versions of the MCU and Android stock images to reload just in case something goes wrong during the rooting process (although, rooting it is actually very easy). I think I may hook it up to the car temporarily, just to make sure the sound quality is OK before I root it - just in case it sounds like crap or something.

4. The Eonon acutally came with an anti-glare screen protector - I want to make sure I install it before I install the radio in-car - but don't want to install the screen protector until I know for sure I'm not going to return it. So thi goes back to connecting it in-car temporarily before going much further.

But man, this thing is pretty f'ing cool!!! :-)

I'll definitely be returning the Hizpo - Eonon is better in just about every way.

Will have a better update on sound quality and other in-car stuff very soon - even if I just connect it temporarily...
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I decided to order one of these too. I am eager for it's arrival.
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I *still* haven't installed mine in-car yet. But i now have it setup just the way I want it and am loving it - at least on the bench... :-)

I did connect it in-car briefly for testing and came across one definite "con" - the warning chime and turn-signal sounds are absolutely horrible - and it's not just a crappy speaker - it's the CANBUS box that actually generates the sounds. For whatever reason, it just generates horrible sounds...

But I think the pros are going to easily outweigh the cons. I have everything set up so that my phone automatically enters hotspot mode after it connects to the radios bluetooth - so that I always have on-line access on the radio. Will be using Poweramp for my "local" music playing and Pandora, Spotify and maybe PC-Radio for my "on-line" music. Also got Viper4Android working perfectly - that takes the sound adjustments of these unit to a whole new level...

Using Car Launcher Pro as my my mian launcher. Love that app. 99% of the time, I'll actually be at the Car Launcher Pro app screen...



It's took a LOT of tweaking, a LOT of research and tons of time - and a custom ROM to make it work like I want - but I'm really looking forward to installing it in-car very soon. I've had this thing for over a month now and am just getting it to a point where I think it's all set. :-)

Some little things that you take for granted with most headunits require some tweaking with an Android head-unit. For example, if you store your music on an SD card, getting it to continue playing music where it left off before it went to "sleep" takes some work. These units never really power down - they go into sleep mode and are "instant on" - so when the radio comes out of sleep mode, the SD card isn't available yet (Android does an error check of the SD card every time it comes out of sleep mode) - so you need to use Tasker to make it all work right - which is why I still have it "on the bench" - I wanted to get everythng setup the way I like it before installing it so that I wasn't spending tons of time running back and forth to the car to test things....

Without Tasker to "pause" Poweramp before the unit goes to sleep - and wait for the SD card to become available after coming out of sleep, Poweramp won't continue playing music where it left off when coming out of sleep (since the SD card isn't available right away after coming out of sleep due to the SD card check). Lots of stuff like that. These units also kill all processes when they go into sleep mode, so if you want to app to be running when you turn the unit on, you have to "exclude" the app from getting killed (custom ROM helps here).

Flexibility is fantastic - but it also opens another can of worms. :-) But once you get everything set up, it is awesome...

Last thing I need to do is to install an anti-glare screen protector before installing it.... Looking forward to it though.

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I decided to order one of these too. I am eager for it's arrival.
Which unit did you get? I'd definitely recommend the Eonon - they seem to have gone a step further trying to get things right. For example, they even have a plastic sheet covering the bottom of the radio (which is metal) - this way, when you jam the radio and all of the wiring into the car, there is no chance of something shorting out on the bottom of the radio (may seem minor, but I thought that was a great idea). They also have a better heat sink attached to the back of the radio and a more flexible (literally) wifi antenna on the back of the radio. The faceplate is also of higher quality and the unit runs cooler. Many advantages over the cheaper Hizpo unit IMO.
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Wanted to give an update on this Eonon GA9180A Android 8.0 head-unit that I purchased...

So I *finally* installed the unit in-car the other day. However, I ran into some noise-related issue. I was hearing a hum-like noise with some clicks that I believe were going along with the ignition firing. I was also getting some alternator whine when I reved the car. I was *really* bummed (I have heard of these issues with some of these other Chinese head-units). However, I kept troublshooting and found that I was only getting the alternator whine when my headrest monitors where connected to the video outputs of the Eonon - and was only getting the hum/clicks when I had my external amp connected. Just using the headunit by itself (which is what I originally tested briefly a while ago), I had no noise-related issues.

So I suspect that I have a ground-loop with my headrest monitor wiring. For now, I just left them disconnected- I'll revisit that issue later once I confirm I'm happy with the Eonon otherwise. The hum disappeared after I cleaned up some of my amp wiring (making sure power wires weren't running with RCA cables, etc). But I would say that the noise rejection of this head-unit is defintiely subpar compared to the other units I've owned (I've never had noise issues with any of my other units). But really, that is not a big deal - it just forces me to make sure all of my wiring was done correctly. :-) Right now, no more noise-related issues.

Now for some of the obvious cons (have only taken one early-morning drive so far):

1. Like I already knew, the warning chimes and turn-signal sounds suck - but I managed to "muffle" them enough (they were SUPER loud) that they are not so offensive now. :-)

2. While I got the LED backlighting matching the rest of the car perfectly, the lights do NOT dim at all (when you manually dim the rest of the lights with the little dial) - which kind of sucks, but not a big deal to me (I never adjust the brightness anyway).

3. No independant volume control for navigation voice. With all of my other units, I could adjust the navi voice volume with the regular radio volume control (when the navi voice was active). You cannot do that with this unit. However, it does allow you to adjust the "mix" percentage - so you can fully customize how much the music mutes - or even mute the music completely when the navi talks. By getting the mix volume just right, the navi voice should always be at the right volume. Don't think this will be a big deal.

4. Will have to keep an eye on the screen brightness - may be an issue when really sunny. We'll see...

Now for some of the obviosu pros:

1. It is just awesome being able to play Pandora, Spotify, etc directly from the head-unit. No bluetooth quality loses, etc. Nice display while playing them too (can open the acutal app or right now, I'm staying at my launcher screen - see above - it shows song info, skip buttons, album art, etc - plus a clock, location info, speed info, date, temperature, etc, etc, etc - all FULLY customizable. This launcher (Car Launcher Pro) works with many music apps - so you never really need to leave the launcher screen.

2. I have it setup to be fully automated. My phone automatically goes into hotspot mode when it connects to the radio bluetooth (for phone calls) - so I always have internet as long as my phone is in the car. Music streaming worked REALLY well this morning!

3. I have Viper4Android (AWESOME sound EQ app) installed and even have it all setup so that the V4A EQ settings are "per app". So I can have different V4A "profiles" for each of the music apps (always wanted "per source EQ"!). Only "con" with V4A is that is doesn't work with FM or CD/DVD (since the audio for those don't go through the Android system - they go directly to the audio outputs). However, the stock EQ app works with those. I almsot never use them, so I'll just use the regular EQ app if/when I use them - not nearly as flexible as V4A, but...

4. Sound quality is fantastic with my external amp (Kicker KEY180.4). Wasn't bad with the stock built-in amp, but definitely better with external amp. I was really worried about sound quality, but turned out to be a non-issue - in fact, with V4A, I probably get better sound quality than any other head-unit I've owned. Still need to tweak and experiment.

5. Unit never shuts down - it's "instant on" - which is cool. Obviously, if you are streming music, you need to wait until you are connected to your phone hotspot, but that is all automated with Tasker - when the unit comes out of sleep, it either waits for wifi (online music) or the SD card to be ready (local music) - since Android does a "filesystem check" on SD cards when the unit wakes up.

6. There are so many "pros" to having Andorid!!! I'm jsut getting started. Still need to get Torque Pro setup, etc.

Unlike Navi, there *are* independent volume controls for bluetooth voice calls and the phone ringer - you just adjust the volume while they are in use. Navigation seems to work great (using iGo Nextgen right now). TTS is really good (I'm using Vocalizer) for TTS. Unit is really fast. iGo is *so* much smoother on this unit - super fluid.

Will get some pics and maybe even a video to post shortly - as well as more thoughts after I use it more.
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FYI - I just saw the Eonon GA9180A (same unit I paid like $365 for a month or two ago) on Ebay - brand new, shipped from New Jersey for $277 (Black Friday sale). For that price, it's hard to pass up.

I've only been on a few trips with mine, but so far, I love it. There are pros/cons (as with any radio), but if it holds up well, it's an absolute bargain. Android 8.0, 4G RAM, 32GB internal storage. Plug and play.

Takes some time to get setup, but once setup, it works really well. I'm not sure about the 45W/channel (max, NOT RMS) internal amp - seems a little less than that to me, but you can always add a cheap external amp to solve that if you like loud music (one of the 45Wx4 RMS units that are the size of a red brick and can connect directly to the head-unit power wiring for super easy install). I'm using it with the Kicker KEY180.4 auto-tuning DSP amp and a Pioneer under-the-seat sub and the sound is incredible (especially when combined with Viper4Android software on the head-unit). Just think, any Androd music player for local music, Pandora, Spotify, iHeartRadio, etc right on the head-unit (no bluetooh quality loss, full touch-sceen interface (unlike bluetooth music), Torque Pro, etc - for $277!?!

For that price, I'm tempted to buy another to keep for backup and "on the bench" testing purposes! :-)
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I got the GA9180A too. Though I took several days to install mine because I fiddled around removing all the trim to get the GPS antenna under the front dash cover (right next to where the windshield defrosting vent is). Was a lot more of a pain in the ass than I expected. I had to remove the trim the tweeters are on, the vents and instrument panel, the dash side trim where the door vent ports are, and finally the front dash cover. But my GPS antenna gets absolute signal and is also out of sight.

How do you get turn signal sound jtrosky? The lack of it is really annoying me. Is it through the speakers and just some setting I need to turn on or is it that little tiny aux speaker I didn't bother installing yet?

I do love how it looks like it always belonged there
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I also always put my GPS antennas under the defroster panel (there is a spot on the passenger side where it fits perfectly). I've done this so many times (un-installed and re-installed radios), that it only takes me about 30 minutes total, including the GPS antenna. :-) You only need to remove the a-pillar covers (where the tweeter is), the dash end caps (where the HVAC air goess into the doors) and the defroster panel itself (it pops right out) - they you can run the wiring behind the glove box right to the head-unit. But all that really matters is that you got it done - and you are right - that is the perfect location for the GPS anteanna as it gets excellent recepetion there.

The turn-signal and warning chime sounds do only come through that little "stick on" speaker - and be prepared, the sounds will sound like complete crap. However, if you muffle them enough (I put piece of foam, a large micro-fibre towel folded into fours and finally about 8 layers of paper towels with a few layers of tessa-tape on them (homemade towel) - all covering the speaker - held in place with a rubber band!) - and the sounds are actually bearable now. :-) I might have actually went a little *too* far - they are still perfectly audible, but I do want them to be a little louder (I actually like the warning chimes to warn me if something goes wrong!). But besides the quieting effect, all of that crap on the speaker also reduce the "distortions" coming from the sounds on that speaker - and honestly, the chimes really don't even bother me anymore (at first, I was REALLY unhappy with them).

Do yourself a favor and look into some tweaks, root and maybe even a custom ROM. I'm currently running the Hal9k custom ROM - it's really nice (other than the fact it uses Magisk for root, which I hate). Viper4Android is an absolute gem for these radios! By far, the best thing I've done to it (and I've done a LOT). Brings sound-quality to the next level (try BBE5 convolver file!). I've also setup Tasker to automate everything, automatically pause and restart music from where it left off when you restart the car (when not using the stock music player), per-app auto-switching Viper4Android profiles, I've disabled the filesystem check for SD cards, so music starts playing faster at startup, etc, etc, etc. Also, you can completely customize all of the radio buttons (both short and long-press) in the car settings. However, if you change one, you have to set them all - but still worth it - now I have the EQ button start V4A, for example.

These radios are defintiely not "audiophile-quality" in terms of audio components, but with 4VA, it's probably the best sounding stereo I've ever owned (but I do have an external amp and under-the-seat sub as well). There is a little more "noise floor" noise than I'd like (caused mainly by my Kicker KEY180.4), but it's only audible if you have nothing playing and the car not running - but it also happened when it was connected to other head-units as well, so it's not specific to the Andorid head-unit - but compared to my Alpine KTP-445U amp (no "noise floor" background noise), the Kicker just sounds sooo much better - so the background noise in rare circumstances is well worht it, since you rarely hear it anyway. :-) I am *still* amazed and how much output a 45Wx4 RMS amp can provide. Sooooo much bass and volume.... I did, however, have to sound-deaden the headliner, doors and rear-deck in order for the car to be able to handle the bass without vibration-related sounds. :-)

EDIT - radio looks great installed, by the way! One last recommendation - put an anti-glare screen protector on that thing! Helps a lot. Eonon provided one with my unit, but it was too small for my liking. So I just cut an old tablet anti-glare protector I had laying around - and that is what I have installed now. Still a little too much gap around the edges for my liking though, so I bought an anti-glare protector from NuShield that I have yet to install - it will pretty much cover the entire screen except for a tiny gap. Will eventually install it (hard to install with the radio installed into the dash though - will probably wait until I have to pull it out for some other reason).

I do also have an Eonon dashcam on the way as well. For like $40, it will automatically record everything right to the head-unit...
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YES! so glad someone has been looking at these head units. i have been looking at the same three you have JT as well as the Eonon 7180 and 8180a.
i decided last weekend i was going to order the Eonon 9180A and am now awaiting it to deliver. I ordered from Eonon's ebay account. Also picked up the rear view camera A0132N and there Eonon OBD2 sensor V0056.
for anyone else thinking of getting this head unit and or accessories, Eonon's ebay was selling the head unit some other default camera for $330 as a bundle. i bid back at 280$ and won! well they accepted, lol.
plus they helped out when i asked them to swap the camera for an OBD2 sensor and they agreed! wow!
JT, i have been looking at these unit for about a month but havent found any good install's for the 9180a, do you plan on making an install vid for youtubers?
i think i can handle the install with ease but am more intrigued on the set up you have been talking about, it sounds perfect. a youtube vid on that would be great,

thanks for the continues support,,
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