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So need to change all the tires on 06 LS most times I would go to Les S, this time thought while at W Mart I would have them take care of it. 10 min goes by and called to automotive that's fast I thought, No, There is a problem... only can replace rear because front has striped lugs.

So I take to Les S and told they can fix however could cost up to 2K because if removed and brakes are bad they need to replace. Will also need new tires as one was ran flat not really but had to get off why. Not like it went far but seen that they can't put back on as is.. even though been using for last few months after it was fixed...

I wonder if I should just remove and replace front hubs ? I know brakes are close to end of life anyway. I could remove bad lug with it off the car. I was told only one bad on each side.

Once done and back together I can get the new tires installed and alignment for way less then what was quoted.

Never had this issue with any of the other impalas. Is this a common issue? Is there something I should do to keep this from happening again?

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How could it possibly cost 2k? You could replace the tires and brakes for half that. I think he's bending you over the barrel big time.
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Well from what he says that is worse case. I too thought that was over the top high. Almost like back in my mobile audio days when I didn't want to do a job I would over bid with the hope they wouldn't want the service. I know that's bad but at times not many times that is a way to deal with some people... in the end if I was to do the work I never charged that price as I couldn't sleep at night if I had. .

300 in labor or just under anyway, new brakes, rotors and calipers. Fluid refill, removing the bad lug, remove the rim, install new bearing hub and 2 new tires, 10 new lugs, 4 wheel alignment. I go with they didn't want to do the job... maybe cause of some issues I have had in the past with work they did on the 12 suburban.

Also he said could be far less if they can get the bad ones out within first hour and if they could get away with only needing to install the tires. No brakes or bearing work. Also if only 1 bad on each side less time less cost.

Not trying to put half down on another 06 just change some tires lol...

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Well from what he says that is worse case. I too thought that was over the top high. Almost like back in my mobile audio days when I didn't want to do a job I would over bid with the hope they wouldn't want the service. I know that's bad but at times not many times that is a way to deal with some people... in the end if I was to do the work I never charged that price as I couldn't sleep at night if I had. .

300 in labor or just under anyway, new brakes, rotors and calipers. Fluid refill, removing the bad lug, remove the rim, install new bearing hub and 2 new tires, 10 new lugs, 4 wheel alignment. I go with they didn't want to do the job... maybe cause of some issues I have had in the past with work they did on the 12 suburban.

Also he said could be far less if they can get the bad ones out within first hour and if they could get away with only needing to install the tires. No brakes or bearing work. Also if only 1 bad on each side less time less cost.

Not trying to put half down on another 06 just change some tires lol...

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i'd go to a different shop.....never had a shop quote new calipers for a standard brake job. sounds like this place is just throwing parts at it to charge you more....i'd be surprised if they even did half the work they said they did...and the real question is, who stripped the lug nut? was it a shop, do you have documentation proving they worked on it? take it back to them and see if they'll fix the issue they created. just my 2 cents though.
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That and if the shop won't let you in the back to "see" what they are looking at, defiantly go elsewhere because there is a problem. I have never had a shop manager tell me that I can't see my own car so I know what he is looking at. I say manager, because sometimes the tech will say that you aren't able to come in the back because of "safety or insurance reasons". The manager can take the risk, you just may have to put on some safety glasses or goggles and maybe ear protection, depending on what everyone else is doing.

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I wonder if I should just remove and replace front hubs ? I know brakes are close to end of life anyway. I could remove bad lug with it off the car. I was told only one bad on each side.
Replacing the hubs might be easier than replacing just the bad studs - they can be a bear to get out.

You definitely do not want to hammer them out - it is surely bad for the hubs. So they need to be pressed out. There are press-like tools that can be used to push them out with the hub still on the car. You might look around and see what you can find. Maybe the guys at the parts counter have a loaner tool like this: Super price on OTC Tools - 4295 at ToolTopia.com

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@Joes74challenger I understand and as he was naming off things when he got to that point pointed out that for safety they replace and brakes come with some huge warranty 25k mile. Will need to get some more info for sure from another shop. Most times like to take my cars same place so I have an idea of service I would get. Tires need replacing so will get this figured out before long.

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@plano-doug thank you for the info and the link. Not sure how that would work with the wheel on. Never used one, will check to see if I can get a hold of one if it can work in my case for sure.

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Not sure how that would work with the wheel on.
To be clear, the wheel would need to be off, but not the hub. A stripped stud should not prevent you from removing the wheel.

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To be clear, the wheel would need to be off, but not the hub. A stripped stud should not prevent you from removing the wheel.

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The bolt on that stud might be a royal pain to get off, I would have a new lug nut for that bolt because you'll probably tear it up to the point that you can't use it again if the bolt is stripped that bad. Heat and breaker bars with "cheater" extensions will be your friend here.


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@plano-doug afraid of that. I am not sure what the issue is. From the sound of it the bolt is stripped to where the wheel can't be removed. I would guess then it is where it is in the hub? Sadly Les S don't want to even look deeper into it with out the go ahead to do the work. It will just need to see another shop for better idea it seems. Thank you for the info.

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@plano-doug afraid of that. I am not sure what the issue is. From the sound of it the bolt is stripped to where the wheel can't be removed. I would guess then it is where it is in the hub? Sadly Les S don't want to even look deeper into it with out the go ahead to do the work. It will just need to see another shop for better idea it seems. Thank you for the info.

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It can be removed, they don't want to try without go ahead for any other work out of fear that something will get screwed up. Like if the bolt starts moving in the hub and they have to weld it in place to remove the wheel, thereby having to replace the hub.


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@worthirt understand. Just hard to think about it when the price could be so high. I will figure out when to get this work done soon. Kind of had a hope someone had same type of issue so I could get a sense it wouldn't cost so much... lol I know everything is different and one may not be same as mine.

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The bolt on that stud might be a royal pain to get off, I would have a new lug nut for that bolt because you'll probably tear it up to the point that you can't use it again if the bolt is stripped that bad. Heat and breaker bars with "cheater" extensions will be your friend here.
If I understand you correctly, you're thinking the stud is turning with the nut?

If that's so, I wonder if a dremel or cutting torch could be used on the nut. No doubt, a torch would require some very careful use to avoid damaging something else.

BTW, FWIW, in my experience, it's usually the nut that strips and not the stud.

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Doug,


That is usually the case, and fairly easy to fix. We had one here at work where everything was so bad that the "tines" broke and the bolt started turning in the hub. Granted that is a worse case scenario and doesn't happen very often at all.


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