Use of Acdelco oil filters - Chevy Impala Forums
Technical Service Bulletins and Recalls Discuss Chevy Impala TSBs and Recalls for all generations.

User Tag List

 2Likes
  • 1 Post By Fizzy
  • 1 Post By Fizzy
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 09:55 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
kb3gup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 212
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Use of Acdelco oil filters

Hello all,

'13 LTZ 72k. TSB # 15-00-90-002 refers to using only Acdelco oil filters with these DI engines mostly due to flow and bypass rating.

My question is how necessary is this? Or is it just a ploy to try to get you to buy their filters? Obviously there is some science behind it but how exaggerated is it? I'm certainly not an expert and have ran their filters ever since reading it about a year ago, before that I used K&N filters without any noticeable issues. I'm a bit concerned over what I've been reading about these "e-core" filters with quality of parts and manufacturing.

I called amsoil who hadn't heard about the TSB from GM but said their (amsoil) filters are fine to use, but if he has no idea what I'm talking about how does he know they meet specs?? I also talked to a few Chevy dealer techs who had mixed opinions on Acdelco filters but all agreed they should be changed every 2,500-3,000 miles reguardless of what oil is being used. So that's what I'm doing and hoping that changing the filter regularly will lessen my chances of failure due to cheap parts/poor manufacturing.

Most manufacturers won't release specifics of what their filters are capable of, or at least normal customer service doesn't have access to it. Even if they did I don't know specific numbers of what these engines require, but I was hoping someone here would have enough specific knowledge to answer. Thanks for the help!
kb3gup is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 10:32 AM
Senior Member
 
1999 White C5 Coupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 737
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Thanks: 78
Thanked 115 Times in 98 Posts
GM engineers their oil and air filters for specific conditions for each engine. Use of the filters ensure the warranty coverage remains, if the the maintenance schedule is followed. Until recently reduced, the power train warranty covered the engine for 100,000 miles.

Proper Oil Filter Replacement Helps Prevent Engine Damage

GM designs oil filters for for basic and super high performance engines (think of the various Corvettes and Cadillac V-series vehicles).

I am constantly amazed by people who question whether the GM filters are "good enough" and resort to aftermarket filters. I don't understand why people refuse to use OEM filters and resort to aftermarket filters. They will buy a GM vehicle but refuse to buy a GM filter.

Buy whatever filter you want - good luck.
1999 White C5 Coupe is offline  
post #3 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 11:02 AM
Super Moderator
 
jtrosky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: West Grove, PA
Posts: 10,208
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 245 Post(s)
Thanks: 959
Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,505 Posts
^^I have to agree - use the air and oil filters that are designated by the manufacturer of the engine. Really - why risk using anything else?

Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk
jtrosky is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to jtrosky For This Useful Post:
1999 White C5 Coupe (05-27-2016)
 
post #4 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 12:00 PM
Senior Member
 
Fizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 838
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Thanks: 65
Thanked 242 Times in 174 Posts
Champion Laboratories manufactures the oil filters for GM and about 20 other companies including K&N and Mobil. Each brand, weather it's one of Champion's or not, is manufactured to meet or exceed OEM specs. There really isn't much difference between the cheap $5 filters regardless of the label. Purolator, for instance, is an independent company that makes their own filters plus Quaker State, Micro Guard, Bosch, Total Grip, Power Flo, and maybe some others, altho I don't remember for certain. The improvements in overall quality - filter media, flow rate, PSID, canister and rib materials and construction, etc generally increase with the price tag. I'm not really sure why there's a TSB on this unless it's an excuse to not honor warranty repairs ie "That's not an ACDelco filter so we aren't paying to fix it", even though there's a good chance your using an identical filter with a different label or one that performs even better. Just my 2 cents...
plano-doug likes this.

96 Impala SS - Powerdyne supercharger, Comp Cams 1.6 Ultra-Golds & top-end kit, Clear Image TRI-Y ceramic coated headers, Accel ignition, BBK 58mm TB, SVO injectors, March Serpentine, PCM4Less (dyno tuned), Hurst Roll Control, Borla SS full exhaust, Stage II trans TCI Streetfighter, Inland Empire aluminum driveshaft, Eaton 3:42 Posi, Hotchkis suspension and sway bars, Bilstien shocks - Faster than a Honda with a fart can

Fizzy is offline  
post #5 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 12:18 PM
Super Moderator
 
jtrosky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: West Grove, PA
Posts: 10,208
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 245 Post(s)
Thanks: 959
Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,505 Posts
The problem is that you just don't know for sure when using another brand. It *may* be exactly the same inside - I'm not sure - and therein lies the issue - you just can't be 100% sure like you can with a genuine AC-Delco filter. Brand names do mean something. And it's not like AC-Delco filters are expensive - so again, I just don't see a reason to risk using anything else? Will you be fine with other brands? Maybe. Can you be sure? Not really.

If you read the link supplied above, it clearly states that not all oil filters are the same - even if they look the same on the outside. Different flow rates, different amount of filtering material and other characteristic differences.

Maybe it is just a money grab by GM - who knows. But even if it really is just an excuse to deny warranty coverage, I'd rather play it safe and not risk it by using AC-Delco filters - you will never have issues with warranty coverage if you use AC-Delco. Really, it's a no-brainer, in my opinion. I even go out of my way to use AC-Delco air filters.

But to each their own. That's the great thing about America - everyone is free to do as they wish! :-)

Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk
jtrosky is online now  
post #6 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 12:42 PM
Senior Member
 
Fizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 838
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Thanks: 65
Thanked 242 Times in 174 Posts
I totally get using Delco in order to not void a warranty, just saying car manufactures provide specs a quality filter manufacturer follows. Are there crap filters made in China or wherever intended for the Dollar store shopper? Sure, but outside of that, if there's a catastrophic failure related to a filter, it's usually a defective part and not a defective design, providing of course its installed properly. This can happen with any filter regardless of the manufacturer. Having said that, the freebie filter you get with the 5 quart oil special is not, nor has ever has been, a filter I would use on any of my cars. I am in no way suggesting the Delco filters are crap but there are filters that perform better than they do.

96 Impala SS - Powerdyne supercharger, Comp Cams 1.6 Ultra-Golds & top-end kit, Clear Image TRI-Y ceramic coated headers, Accel ignition, BBK 58mm TB, SVO injectors, March Serpentine, PCM4Less (dyno tuned), Hurst Roll Control, Borla SS full exhaust, Stage II trans TCI Streetfighter, Inland Empire aluminum driveshaft, Eaton 3:42 Posi, Hotchkis suspension and sway bars, Bilstien shocks - Faster than a Honda with a fart can

Fizzy is offline  
post #7 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 02:41 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
kb3gup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 212
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
This tends to be as controversial as our current presidential candidate situation (not taking sides only saying people get heated and have strong opinions about their beliefs). I completely understand the warranty side of it and that's why I use delco. I'm only saying when you see cut open ones and some use glued plastic parts and others use metal, it kinda makes me think.

I know delco are made my champion and they make a ton of different brands, and all exceed OEM spec, I just wonder why you should change the filter (according to delco instructions) every 3-5,000 miles while amsoil filters they guarantee to 25,000. What makes one that much better? I know you have to use their oil for that guarantee, and I personally don't know anyone who would go 25k on one oil filter so I get it may just be advertising, but still if it was all BS I doubt their legal department would let them say it.

I'm not looking to start trouble by asking this I'm only wondering why filter lives seem to be all over the board if they're all pretty much the same.
kb3gup is offline  
post #8 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 03:03 PM
Senior Member
 
Fizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 838
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Thanks: 65
Thanked 242 Times in 174 Posts
No worries KB... nothing is heated between any of us =)

96 Impala SS - Powerdyne supercharger, Comp Cams 1.6 Ultra-Golds & top-end kit, Clear Image TRI-Y ceramic coated headers, Accel ignition, BBK 58mm TB, SVO injectors, March Serpentine, PCM4Less (dyno tuned), Hurst Roll Control, Borla SS full exhaust, Stage II trans TCI Streetfighter, Inland Empire aluminum driveshaft, Eaton 3:42 Posi, Hotchkis suspension and sway bars, Bilstien shocks - Faster than a Honda with a fart can

Fizzy is offline  
post #9 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 03:39 PM
Super Moderator
 
jtrosky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: West Grove, PA
Posts: 10,208
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 245 Post(s)
Thanks: 959
Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,505 Posts
^^Agreed! And agree with the post above yours as well! :-)

Nothing heated here - just good ol' conversation and personal opinions.

Honestly, I think the vast majority of filters out there will do the job perfectly fine if you change your oil and filter at reasonable intervals. I just prefer using what came on the car from the factory because I *know* they are appropriate for the engine. We all have or own beliefs and preferences based on past experience, posted test results and how we use the vehicle.

But if you stick with a reputable brand name and change your oil and filter every 5k miles or less, then just about any oil and filter you can find will be just fine. Beyond that, it's just personal preference. It's all good! :-)

In my case, those oil flters that last 25k miles are useless because I change my oil every 5k miles anyway - and I would *never* change my oil and reuse the same oil filter! Others may try to actually go 20k miles between oil changes (and may even get away with it!). :-)

Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk
jtrosky is online now  
post #10 of (permalink) Old 05-27-2016, 10:42 PM
Senior Member
 
U.Nanimous's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Thanks: 3
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
To lower the "cost of ownership" some of the higher end auto manufacturers started stretching service intervals and even sealed transmissions ("Lifetime fluid" lol) in the early 2000's. The use of synthetic fluids does allow extending changes beyond the old dino based fluids but some went too far and are now bringing those intervals back down. I believe Porsche was the highest mileage for an oil change at 20K(!) but now are something like 15K or 1 year which ever comes first.

Obviously with a 20K oil change interval you don't want to use a 15-20K filter so now they have 25K filters. My 2...dino oil change at 3K, synthetic change at 5K, always new filter with new oil and if you don't drive that much change it at least once a year. As far as what to use...manufacturers spec or better (if you can find the real specs).


2000 LS 3.8 - wrecked by an *****, RIP 12/23/2016
Replaced with a(nother) BMW so been nice knowing ya'll
U.Nanimous is offline  
post #11 of (permalink) Old 05-28-2016, 12:02 AM
Super Moderator
 
jtrosky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: West Grove, PA
Posts: 10,208
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 245 Post(s)
Thanks: 959
Thanked 1,975 Times in 1,505 Posts
It's kind of funny how the most expensive cars are the most worried about reducing the "cost of ownership". If you can afford a Porsche, then you should be able to afford to change the damn oil in it at reasonable intervals! :-)

Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk
jtrosky is online now  
post #12 of (permalink) Old 05-28-2016, 08:38 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
kb3gup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 212
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Yes agreed! If you can afford a super car you should be able to afford the oil. Most cars especially the "higher end" bmw Mercedes ect. have their own oil brand, when I worked at Advance Auto we carried their oil, it wasn't kept out on the sales floor because most people didn't want it due to the $20+ per quart, but every now and again someone would come in and want it. I'm just about positive those oils are made by a major company and aren't much different from normal synthetics just rebranded with a outrageous price tag, but if it people have the money and it makes them sleep better at night I say go for it.
kb3gup is offline  
post #13 of (permalink) Old 05-28-2016, 09:31 AM
Senior Member
 
Fizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 838
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Thanks: 65
Thanked 242 Times in 174 Posts
Yeah, and it's not like oil is that expensive, although if you take your Porsche to the dealer for an oil change I can see paying way too much for it. I just can't see skimping on something as important as motor oil and the filter. When I did my SeaFoam flush I didn't cut any corners either. I used Mobil 1 synthetic and a K&N Wrench Off filter and changed both an hour later. IDC that it cost me $50 for that hour (well, $10 of that was the SeaFoam so $40 I guess). That's nothing compared to how much money is tied up in my motor so I wasn't willing to use anything less just because it would be changed in an hour.
Old Bones likes this.

96 Impala SS - Powerdyne supercharger, Comp Cams 1.6 Ultra-Golds & top-end kit, Clear Image TRI-Y ceramic coated headers, Accel ignition, BBK 58mm TB, SVO injectors, March Serpentine, PCM4Less (dyno tuned), Hurst Roll Control, Borla SS full exhaust, Stage II trans TCI Streetfighter, Inland Empire aluminum driveshaft, Eaton 3:42 Posi, Hotchkis suspension and sway bars, Bilstien shocks - Faster than a Honda with a fart can

Fizzy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Chevy Impala Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(2) ACDELCO A348C Air Filters RSS Bot Impala Diecast Toys Cars on eBay 0 12-03-2015 06:50 PM
(2) ACDELCO A348C Air Filters RSS Bot Impala Diecast Toys Cars on eBay 0 10-22-2015 10:10 AM
Bosch 3423 Engine Oil Filters - Premium Oil RSS Bot Impala Diecast Toys Cars on eBay 0 02-07-2015 09:30 AM
Case of ACDelco Pro PF48E Engine Oil Filters RSS Bot Impala Diecast Toys Cars on eBay 0 01-04-2015 06:20 PM
Fuel Filters: ACDelco or Wix? Tonyman89 Chevy Impala 7th Gen Discussion 5 09-04-2014 10:54 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome