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Old 06-18-2012, 04:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well things have been coming along OK given my inexperience but a couple days ago a tomato plant began to wilt. I found a small brown caterpillar on it and a hole in one of the small fruit that was growing. I smashed the thing before I thought to take a pic for ID. Still though I am not finding damage aside from the wilt and the one damaged fruit. Well then a second plant in the next row 8-10feet away begins to wilt.
I went to Steins which is I think a Wisconsin based garden center chain talked to then and got a Bonide product that should treat basically anything treatable, sulfur and Pyrethrin went ahead and sprayed all the tomatoes. The two wilted ones are not recovering and the first one to wilt only like half of it wilted.

I am very afraid the problem is the black walnut tree that is nearby if it is then I am afraid that as the roots on each plant get deeper they are going to encounter more walnut roots and one by one die. The squirrels also like to open the walnuts and leave the hulls at the base of the apple tree and I wonder if that is part of why the apple tree is struggling because apples are vulnerable to black walnut toxicity.

If anyone has any guidance on tomato problems or would like some good pics to look at I would be grateful.

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Don't know squat about tomatoes really, but black walnut is a beautiful wood, food for thought!

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Trouble is they were never cared for, the one that would actually be the problem is probably only 10feet of real trunk and then branches. Meaning I don't think there is enough wood there to pay for taking it down AND then the affects of the roots still being in the ground will last several years anyway.

When I took off some limbs to make room for the new garage I gave the pieces to a friend with a lathe.

The garden would be just barely to the left out of frame of this pic from earlier this spring.

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Would lime sweeten the soil? How about Miracle Grow for tomato's? I haven't had a garden in a while, and miss having one. Hope yours recovers!

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Not exactly sure where you are located but here is some information for you that will cross regions I am sure.


Look for six common causes of tomato wilt in the South

Your fears about the walnut are not without merit either

http://www.extension.umn.edu/yardand...lkwal-tox.html

Perhaps time to relocate the tomatos

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Soil is already a solid 7.5+ PH so lime would be a bad thing, already kind of high on PH and lime would push it higher..

Couple weeks ago they got Jobe's tomato spikes and I had planted them with some composted manure mixed into the soil so it should not be a nutrient deficiency.

The way I came up with the walnut theory was I simply googled "wisconsin tomato pests" which brought up UW horticulture site and the walnut toxicity article was the first in their general horticulture "popular articles".
Being my first attempt at a garden and diving in pretty big with a 15x48ft. garden I was bound to make some mistakes and have some issues though. Actually direct lighting levels had me wanting to rotate the garden 90 degrees from where it is anyway. The potentially offending walnut tree also begins to shade the corn by 2pm or so and the tomatoes about an hour later.

We got a good 2" of rain in the last 24hours so I will go outside shortly with the camera and take some pics and see what things look like and try and post some pics of the damaged plants.

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Soil is already a solid 7.5+ PH so lime would be a bad thing, already kind of high on PH and lime would push it higher..

Couple weeks ago they got Jobe's tomato spikes and I had planted them with some composted manure mixed into the soil so it should not be a nutrient deficiency.

The way I came up with the walnut theory was I simply googled "wisconsin tomato pests" which brought up UW horticulture site and the walnut toxicity article was the first in their general horticulture "popular articles".
Being my first attempt at a garden and diving in pretty big with a 15x48ft. garden I was bound to make some mistakes and have some issues though. Actually direct lighting levels had me wanting to rotate the garden 90 degrees from where it is anyway. The potentially offending walnut tree also begins to shade the corn by 2pm or so and the tomatoes about an hour later.

We got a good 2" of rain in the last 24hours so I will go outside shortly with the camera and take some pics and see what things look like and try and post some pics of the damaged plants.

Cool! I'd like to see that!

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Here is the worst wilted plant, the plywood was to try and keep some sun off of it to aid in recovery but I have basically given up and took it down right after this pic.

Another pair of wilted plants so this means I found another one going downhill this morning, I see some other tips turned down and I am not sure if they are beat up by yesterday's weather or if it is the start of more of the same.


Backed up a ways for a broader picture so you can see how close the garden is to the walnut tree.

Then wandered over by the apple trees and found this. Not sure if these are good or bad bugs, being ladybugish I hope they are good, will look them up shortly.

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Ladybugs are red. Those things are black. I'd look them up quick-like!As for the tomatos, I'm not sure. If it is the walnut tree, would anything growing under it be affected? How is the grass under it?

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I went back into photobucket to try and rotate the images correctly and I was going to change to thunmbnails in the thread but I am getting errors from photobucket so I will try and make this easier to see later.

I know what ladybugs look like and asian beetles that look a lot like them are very common here. I just called the black ones ladybugISH because they have the same basic body type.

Edit: I looked it up and it is just a ladybug, nothing out of the ordinary or worrysome, actually they are predators that will eat bad bugs.

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Oh, well then let them go forth and eat!!! The bucket will mess up on me sometimes, too....sucks.

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I think the plan at this point is to dig up the dying ones and put them in pots, see if I can nurse them back to health. Maybe dig up a few others as well just as a preventative and watch things closely.

Maybe I should go ahead and Roundup the area I wanted to use for the garden next season and transplant what I feel I can this year yet. I had wanted to plant second crops of several things anyway.

I bought all my fencing, glad I had not put the effort into installing it yet.

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I have dug up 4 plants now, symptoms varied a little as a few would recover at night and wilt in the day, one I cut apart to see if I could diagnose things because certain tomato diseases can turn different parts of the interior stem brown or the stem can ooze when placed in water. Did not see anything definitive.
I did find out simply overwatering can wilt them which I might have been doing and then we got like 2" of rain and my clay soil does not drain well.

At this point I am hoping the one that wilted first and alone was because of the walnut tree and best case is the other three that were side by side just drowned. I did pot them to see if they recover but did not want to risk leaving them there if they were infected with something.

I got plastic today to "solarize" the place I wanted to rotate the garden to next year and will put that down in the next day or two. If my google reading is correct in 4 weeks or so it can basically sterilize the soil underneath. Maybe I can get that area in good shape in time to plant some fall veggies.

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