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Old 06-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello everyone I just recently bought a new front end kit for my impala because the front rotor was garbage and this kit included everything. Here is the link for the exact set up I bought. http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-70-Chevy-FS-Frt-Disc-Brake-BASIC-Kit-Stock-Rotors-/390229419788?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &fits=Year%3A1970%7CModel%3AImpala&hash=item5adb7c 670c&vxp=mtr


Now the issue. I tried installing it myself but was having trouble and couldnt get it on right no matter what I tried. So reluctantly I took it to a mechanic shop and they waited 4 days and 20 mins before close to tell me that the rotors dont fit on the car... They told me that it could be because it is a different rotor and I told them it was a kit designed to fit my car...and that I would have to buy new rotors since everything else measured out correct... This to me makes no sense how everything would work but the rotors as they looked like the ones that came stock. Is it just me or does this sound fishy? The reason why I want to be inclined to believe them is because I have to provide all the parts so they gain nothing by having me supply the new rotors... Anyone else think I am getting ripped off though?

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Old 06-24-2012, 06:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is kind of hard to guess at whats going on.
How do the rotors "NOT FIT" ?
Are the bearings wrong and wont go onto the spindles ?
What does the supplier tell you
What problems did you have putting it/them on ?
Is the shop having the same issue that you had ?
Not so sure at this point that the shop is ripping you but would look more at what was given to you from the supplier.

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Old 06-24-2012, 06:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Contact the company, and tell them the rotors don't fit.

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Old 06-24-2012, 07:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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With the company's shipping out so many products a day, the people who pack the shipments can easily pack the wrong parts.

They should either have you send them back and check them and see if they are the right ones and if they arent send you the right ones, have you check them and see if there is a identification as too which parts they are and tell you if they are the right or wrong ones, or just send you another shipment with the right ones.

It's happened to me a couple times with company's on ebay but it doesn't really bother me as long as they are a good honest company and try to make you a happy customer (everyone makes mistakes). The feedback star rating system on ebay is great cause the lower rating a company gets the more they have to pay to list products on ebay, that really gives motivation to sell you a good product with good customer service.

Just send them a message and tell them they are the wrong rotors like C.E. said more than likely they will try and help you. If not dispute it with ebay, get your money back, and give them bad feedback and a bad rating.

Alot of repair shops make there money on product markups and hate when people bring in there own parts to be installed. Thats why if you use your own parts they charge you a higher labor rate most of the time.

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Old 06-24-2012, 01:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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When I was installing it myself I basically couldnt get it to sit right on the spindle, the outer bearing would cover the spot where you insert the caulder pin and it just didnt seem like it was working right. The supplier said theyd help me but not after I greased up half their parts...The shop is telling me however that everything measures out right except the rotors. The bearings are correct, and even the calipers but the rotors just arent correct which is what I am having a hard time believing if it was a kit how would everything else in the kit work but the rotors which already had the races for the bearings pressed in them..

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Old 06-24-2012, 06:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Quite simply actually, the rotors had the cups in them already and they may have included the correct cones but but the rotors are from something else.
Or the cones and cups are different.

It's not uncommon to buy a set of rotors with the cups already in them and re-use the cones that you have. Seen it on a bunch of applications.
Aint sayin it's right but that is what I suspect.

Take the cones separately and see if they will fit all the way onto the spindles, both the inner and the outer. Do this with no rotor in place and with the cone(s) oriented correctly, eg: inner with the cone taper facing out, outer with the cone taper facing in.

If they do then take those same cones and see if they fit correctly into the cups that are already in the rotors.

It's a shipping screw up is what I think.
You either got the right rotors with the correct cups in them and the wrong cones, or the other way.

The grease will clean off everything for return.
Brake clean is your friend.

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Old 06-26-2012, 03:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well I have been in contact with the auto shop and they told me that nothing fits because they believe the front end is from a different vehicle and that is why nothing is fitting as it should with the 1970 impala and would definitely answer why this isnt working. They asked me to ask the person I bought the car from who did the front end disc brake conversion and to see if he knew the make/model from which he did this whole thing but the guy was clueless and had no idea and told me that is how he purchased it as well. So I am going for a long shot here and wondering if anyone knows of a site or something similar where I can type in dimensions and find out what kiidnd of info cars would use for said dimensions like spindle size, rotor diameters etc.

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Old 06-26-2012, 06:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I am at a loss

Someone somewhere found a front end from something and grafted it onto your car,,,,,, perhpas.

I guess the next step is to see just exactly what has been transplanted.
Perhaps a whole front clip from an 80's Camaro or Monte or something.

Have a look at the frame rails where they come from under the fire wall and see if anything has been welded on there.

Maybe take some pics of what you are looking at and post them

Take one of the calipers you have now and try and find a part number on it someplace
Take one of the rotors and measure them and see it's size, or look inside it someplace for a marking on it.

Take each of the brgs. ( inner and outer) and get the numbers from them and see what application they fit. ( Napa or Auto Zone ) may be able to help there.

Take one of the disc pads and have a look at the backing on it and see if there is something stamped into that.

You have a bit of a challenge ahead of you trying to figure out just exactly what it is you have.

Keep up posted what you find

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thank you for the responses pauly. I have to be honest and say that was a big point in me purchasing the vehicle, when I saw that it already had the disc brake conversion done and would save me easily 1,000$ I thought it would save me time from doing it myself. Not to mention the fact that it just had a bad left rotor I never imagined that it would turn into this kind of issue. I will be in contact with the auto shop but they keep telling me it is just a nightmare as they cant figure out what to do... I am just glad that they are not charging me storage fees. I found some dimensions on rock auto for a rotor and will be taking this information to them tomorrow to see if it adds up and if it does indeed then it is definitely an issue with a redone front end off some vehicle.

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Old 06-27-2012, 06:37 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah send back the stuff you bought and try and match up what you got.
May take some investigating and a large box of fresh bakery items can go a long way at a parts store to start opening boxes and trying to match things.
Hopefully whoever did it stayed with GM parts. That may narrow it some.
Not a lot
But some
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Yikes, sounds like a royal PITA. ^^ Good idea above. Good luck.

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Well looks like I am going to have to take it this case with the legal department on base. Apparently they said that I gave them consent to purchase parts they needed and the estimated price went from 480 to 1200$ when I payed 2k for the car I would never approve of that. So now they are saying I owe them that money but I am gonna get my car back one way or another.

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The nightmare continues

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Old 07-09-2012, 01:40 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Maybe try and do some research as too what cars/parts are commonly used to do the disc brake converstion on your car so you can narrow down what might be on your car already too. The advice above is very good, good luck. We have all been there with a simple maintence project turning into a huge ordeal.

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