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Need recommendations for replacement speakers

Eventually I am going to replace the factory speakers in my LTZ. I am using a Rosen GM1210 for the head unit. The last sets of speakers I bought were years ago and they were a set of Polk Audio 6.5 components for the front and a set of Kenwood 3 way 6x9s for the rear deck. Both were rated for 100 watts RMS and had a Kenwood 75x4 RMS amp running them.

I am starting over with the Impala and I wanted to get some ideas of what is good these days. I liked the Polks and will happily go with them again. Best Buy has a pair of Kenwood 5 way 6x9s for $85 that are rated at 125 watts RMS. I have a new Pioneer 4 channel 100 watt x 4 RMS amp to run the interior speakers. I have the sub, box and sub amp taken care of. I am set on going with 6.5 components up front and 6x9s in the rear unless someone can convince me that a 6.5 coaxial will be better. I like rear fill and since I am going with a single 12" 300 watt RMS sub, I am thinking the 6x9s will be fine. I may have to rethink the box and get something slightly different so that it doesn't interfere with the rear strut tower brace.

Lastly, I am strongly considering a sound processor because I really like the Rosen unit but it lacks with fine tuning. I am hoping a processor can fix that.

So tell me, what's good?

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It is hard to say what one person will like and won't like... I will say that you might not be happy with a Base line system of speakers now that you have used the POLK...

If I was going to change out, I would go with POLK or Maybe NVX would be next in line... There are some other nice 6.5 units that I would choose as well. Like ALpine, or Rockford, Image Dynamics or Kicker. However anything under that would be a discredit to the listening liking in the way I think of Going from Quality to under quality systems.

For me I would go with NVX before Polk but seeing you have Polk that was why my listing above was Polk first... For me. NVX or Image would be my first go to depending on how much I want to spend and what type of Amp I want to drive them.. I hope you have pulled in new wiring for your speakers. The OE are just lacking for power rated speakers...

In the Rear Deck, I would go with 6x9 only because they are there... Really if there is nothing wrong with the ones you have now, I would just leave them seeing they are only really Rear Fill... Also I would and not saying everyone does but I would if it was my set up. Reduce the bass from the Rear Fill and keep them at a Mid Range setting...

For a Good Processor it is hard to say what to get for a person. Maybe they want to have dash control more the Superior sound control... I would get a AudioControl DQDx. However Not everyone will like it as it is more for Fine tuning your system... has 3 inputs and 3 out. 6Ch. Price is not cheap but once installed you know the Quality has changed.... Another good one is The LCQ1 is 100 less then the first one I stated and again once connected the Quality shows... There there is also the EQS, IT is again anther set it and forget it type but Quality is great. There is some in dash units as well. I just find they lack in the quality as the other ones listed. Or lack because of Input of being 1 or 2 channel. I like to have control of all 3 by a Processor not bring in 1 and out 2 or 3. But that is again my input not everyones...

For some people it is hard to spend 300 or even 200 and not be able to touch it look at it all the time... For me. Quality don't have to be poking out...

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Best Buy did not have much on the demo board to listen to. But I did get to hear a set of 6.5 coax Kickers and I got to say, they sounded pretty good. The Kenwoods I mentioned were not on display but they did have a few boxes on the shelf.

My issue is Best Buy is about an hour away. The Radio Shack in town is remodeling and Walmart doesn't carry any components or high power 6x9s. I know listening is subjective but I figured I would ask to see what people find decent these days. The Kickers look appealing to me. Polk is good in my book as is Kenwood.

Edit - I am going to run new speaker wire to everything and the stockers are what is in there now. The Rosen stereo is feeding them more power and they can't keep up. I am not afraid to spend decent money on a processor if it is going to make the system sound better.

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Well That is the one thing I love about the Internet... The power to buy anywhere you can for the best price if that was a factor....

Not sure if Car-Fi is still in business but have you checked them out for Car Audio? I know at one time they carried AudioControl...

I am not much into big box stores.... They are over priced and well under stocked for good products in most cases. If cheap what everyone has is the way to go then I guess a Big box is ok for Audio...

I don't know if you haven't looked at Crutchfield before. However they are even cheaper on the price of the Audiocontrol then the last few places I know to look online for them.... It has been many many moons since I bought from them. However they can't be to bad of a company still in business..

I used them back in the mid 80's so they still doing things right... Anyway I am sure you can find all kind of nice things there in your budget.

Also from them another good one I didn't list before is Memphis Audio and they carry that too... So I would check them out if you haven't. Love to hear what you go with in the end...

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I have bought from Crutchfield before, in fact within the last few months. Car-Fi is still in business... They have a store not far from Best Buy and there are a couple of stereo shops in the same town. I did look at the Image Dynamics online... Pricey little bastards... It is going to be a little bit before I can splurge the money on stuff, but it will get done... The stock speakers aren't going to cut it for too long.
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Well I will say Image Dynamics when and if you were able to get some.. It will be an Upgrade that you will wonder how you could have missed... First car I had them in was back in 1992, Had some in my Demo car. before I Installed them, I was using some Punch with a crazy looking crossover that came with the set lol.. Thought they were the S>>t. Until I was able to buy some ID at discount because they were just released and needed to demo them...(The company i was working for started to sale them and needed to have a car setup) After I installed them, I thought I bought a different car... Bright and great sound. Used them for a few years and every moment was enjoyable.. Most times now days I always feel like they are for people that drive BMW, Porsche and all the high end cars. I think because most people that bought them had them cars lol...

I would say you could get away with the ID65CS... They are not pricey around 120 or 140ish... If Money isn't an issue and you have a good AMP to power them I would for sure get CSx64V2 they are between 250 to 275 but with the right power, is sound that is hard to beat. Now just being able to find any in stock. Kind of seems like a tease for some. When you have the money NEver in stock. When you don't you seem them in stock for a day or 2. If you wanted to stay with both front ad back they do have the ID69 and not to bad at price. Around 99 and 120 depending on where you get them.. THey are good and I would say best with a 75 to 90 watt going to each is perfect even though they are 100 watt RMS...

Love to see what you go with in the end...

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I only use Polk speakers in my vehicles. Best bang for the buck IMO. I bought my last set on sonicelectronix.com a set of coaxial 6.5 dxi series speakers were $50 with free shipping. Hard to beat the price, especially when you consider the quality of speaker you're getting. I believe the components were around $85.

In my Impala, I'm running dxi components up front, dB 6x9s in the rear, and 2 dB 12s. The speakers are all getting 100w RMS and the subs are happy with ~450 RMS each that they're getting. Kenwood headunit to power it all. I couldn't be happier with the quality for what I have invested.

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Besides brand of speaker, the only thing that I would recommend is getting 6.75" speakers for the fronts, if you can. It's amazing how much more "area" there is compared to 6.5" speakers... Personally, I bought Pioneer D-Series speakers (front and back) and couldn't be happier. These things deliver more bass than I've ever heard from 6.75"/6x9" speakers. And it good, tight bass. You'd swear that I had a subwoofer installed! But if you are planning on a subwoofer anyway, then the awesome bass that these things deliver is much less important. Between these D-Series speakers and the small Alpine 45Wx4 RMS amp that I'm using, they provide more sound than my car interior can handle. Even with bass turned down to -1, the bass still causes the interior of the car to rattle and buzz - even at moderate volumes.

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Thanks for the help guys... I am hoping to do something within 2 or 3 months. I am committed to this car for 58 more payments so I want to buy stuff that will last. I have become a sound quality guy... It happens when you get into your 40's... Haha... Sonic had a pair of Kenwood 5 way 6x9s for like $60... I could splurge on the midrange IDs... The Pioneer amp I have will feed every speaker 100 watts at 4 ohms. This would be slightly underpowering the IDs. Would that be an issue? I like to match everything and set gains with a voltmeter.

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Personally, I'd stay away from 4 and 5-way speakers. Contrary to popular belief, more is not better when it comes to this. :-) Stick with a 2 or 3-way speaker. Any more than that is just a gimmick and it usually a sign of a "cheap" speaker.

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Personally, I'd stay away from 4 and 5-way speakers. Contrary to popular belief, more is not better when it comes to this. :-) Stick with a 2 or 3-way speaker. Any more than that is just a gimmick and it usually a sign of a "cheap" speaker.

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@WickedGoat If you were going to get say the XS65 429pr or XS69 529pr, Would work with 100 per side, However I am not sure whos budget that is in. Not mine for sure. As much as I would love to have them. I couldn't see myself paying that for them...

IDQ65CS isn't under power with 100 watts. If you haven't seen them. If over 200 isn't in the idea for a set of front speakers, I maybe would go with the ID65cs Again 100watts RMS is good and maybe even dial it back a little. Even the ID 6 and ID 65 are an ok Coaxial that could use less power but would sound great as well...

As others have stated, I would stay away from over doing the multi stage 6x9's... I would say for the Price and staying with Product type Go witht he ID69. They are 2 way but will be night and day between the one you were talking about 5 way... Also the ID65CS and ID69 almost same price as the IDQ65CS 20 or 30 more anyway. So if you were looking at IDQ65CS and then the other 6x9 your still out ahead...

I am not sure what your AMP is but I thought I would talk about that as well. Good thing about the Image Dynamics is they are like some others that can take little to no power and still sound good. However I want to give a word of Caution on the RMS of an AMP... Not all amp are created equal.

For me an AMP that can produce loads of power and the THD isn't low only has 1 place in my car set up if it was in my car setup to begin with. Subs. I don't care to much about THD when it comes to subs... However when it comes to the Mids and Highs in my system. I like to keep the THD as low as I can.

Now for Mids and Highs, RE Audio CTX-1000, That is 100 watts in 4Ch. Is a great amp. Main reason is that the THD is 0.03% Most others that claim power in small foot print is 1% or better. Again for Subs don't matter to me how dirty the sound is... For Mids and Highs a Good AMP is a must.. In most cases I try and keep it under 0.5% and even then that is to much.

Look forward to what you get for your car. I am well over my 40's and I like Clear highs.

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Here is what I am working with so far...

Speaker amp...


RMS Power @ 4 ohms 100 watts x 4 channels
RMS Power @ 2 ohms 150 watts x 4 channels
RMS Power @ 1 ohm 125 watts x 4 channels
Bridged RMS Power 300 watts x 2 channels
Amplifier Specifications
Amplifier Series GM Digital (Pioneer)
Amplifier Class FD
Number of Channels 4
Total Peak Power Output 1200 watts
Total RMS Power Output 600 watts
Maximum Input Gauge Size 4 AWG
Minimum Impedance Unbridged 1 ohms
Minimum Impedance Bridged 4 ohms
THD at Rated RMS Power .05%
Speaker Level Inputs Yes
Preamp Outputs 1 pair
Built-in Crossover Low-Pass (LP)
High-Pass (HP)
High-Pass Crossover Frequency 40 - 500 Hz
Low-Pass Crossover Frequency 40 - 500 Hz
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 95 dB
Bass/Gain Remote No
Fan Cooled No
Fuse Rating 30A x 2
Strappable No
CEA-2006 Compliant Yes

Sub amp...



Monoblock eXcelon Series Digital Power Amplifier
RMS Power Rating (14.4V):
4 ohms: 300 watts x 1 chan.
2 ohms: 500 watts x 1 chan.
Max power output: 1000 watts x 1 chan.
Pulse Width Modulated MOSFET power supply
LED power (green) and protect (red) indicators
Variable Bass Boost (0 to +18 dB bass boost at 50 Hz)
Soft start turn-on
Mono channel operation
3-way protection circuitry (thermal, overload, and speaker short protection)
Heavy duty aluminum alloy heat-sink for extreme heat dissipation
Nickel-plated RCA level inputs
Nickel-plated screw terminals
Input sensitivity:
Low level: 125mV-5V
Variable low-pass filter (50-200 Hz, 24 dB/octave)
CEA-2006 compliant amplifier
Frequency response: 20-200 Hz
4 gauge power and ground wiring is required for installation. Contact us for information regarding a discount on select amplifier kits from our website when purchased together with this amplifier
Dimensions: 9"W x 7-3/8"D x 2-3/16"H

Sub


12" 4-ohm component Excelon Series component Subwoofer
Power Handling:
Peak: 2000 watts
RMS: 400 watts
Recommended power range: 200 - 450 RMS
Polypropylene woofer cone with a "Square Array" pattern
Rubber Surround
Black Steel Basket
Stress-free Spider
Thermal Efficient System for long lasting reliability
8AWG Push Terminal
Ferrite Magnet
Top-mount depth: 6"
Cutout diameter: 11"
Frequency Response: 27 - 300Hz
Sensitivity: 82 dB

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I used to be a Big Pioneer fan back in the early 90's with the GM 1000, 2000, 3000 and GM-H 100-300. Still have a GM 3000 that I will keep till I die. Don't use it really anymore but if I had to its there as a back up...

Not that it is known but the 0.05 THD on Pioneer Amps is 10W at 1 kHz but just so you know the amp at all RMS power < or = 1% THD. With the RE Audio RMS power of 0.03 THD was why I started going with USAMPS (Now RE Audio) Back in the Mid 90's They had THD as low as 0.0005 and crazy power. Amps were not cheap but 1 ohm stable amps nice designs I was hooked.

You using the factory HP an LP crossovers on your amps or you have something to cover that like a AudioControl DQDX or some other type of Processor? Not saying that it is 100% needed but if you haven't heard a system with something other then the built in x over your missing out... Also not everyone knows this, But when you add things from the amp, They tend to add Distortion. Also if you look in your Manual for your amp it will say at most RMS levels what the THD is but shouldn't be over 1%. I like Pioneer, Even have shhhh don't tell anyone but a 4 way 6x9 in my 00 Imp. They are an old set I had and just had to put them back in not long ago after a Mishap with some loaded cargo. One of the reasons they are different for my set up. I have them on different channel on my amp. So the Bass/Mid is on RR Ch1 and the Highs are on RR Ch2. The left side RL Mid/Bass Ch1 and RL Highs Ch2 So for that I have different HPF and Range of sound to keep my system in spec... I was running this with my 3 way Fronts that I ran same way. besides different 4 chan amps. Not all speakers can do it that way. Now I have some Cliff Design Components for now. Still have the 3 ways. Another item won't get rid of lol. High end back in the 90's lol Been in a few of my cars along the way... 6x9's are starting to look the age, Still sound great. However

Looks like time for some New ones and NVX Speaker Combo: 6"x9" Coaxial & 6.5" Component Speakers looks like they will be the next set if I can't talk my banker to let me have the others that I been looking over. Years ago I just buy and talk later now days I have to talk her into it lol


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I have never used a processor before so this would be a first for me. I have used both the amp settings and whatever the stereo had to tune the system. I had an old school Alpine single din that had BBE processing and a ton of fine tuning on it. And honestly, I do not know much about tuning but I know enough to know about clipping, distortion, and what sounds good and what sounds muddy. I would have no problem paying a shop or someone to fine tune it when all is said and done.

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