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Old 12-06-2011, 10:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Service Traction Control

Okay guys, I've been searching these forums about this issue because today my car threw out this error, "Service Traction Control". It comes on about 1 minute or so that my car has been running, it will chime a few times, and the check engine light will also light up, along with the traction light naturally.

However I'm not getting the ABS light like a lot of people have been reporting.

One thing I should mention, and I think it might be linked, but I have no idea because I'm not much of a car guy. Anyways, it's been pretty cold, about 10*F, and I decided to go through a touchless car wash because my car was pretty dirty, well probably not the brightest idea to do when it's this cold. But anyways, I went through that, then drove about 160 miles to my destination. I didn't have a single light or issue on the trip down, however this morning it started with the service traction control issue.

I tried turning my engine off, and back on, but that didn't do anything. And it kept chiming and warning me on my way to the meeting I'm currently in.

The only other thing is I did get two new front tires installed by Tires Plus a couple of weeks ago.

I'll let you know if I get this message when I head back to where I'm staying. But if I could get some input on what may be wrong, I'd much appreciate it!


I do have powertrain warranty also, until February and my car only has 56,500 miles on it.

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What is a touchless car wash? is it high pressure or something?

I would start by inspecting the ABS connections on each wheel (realizing that a bad connection would probablly also throw an ABS code).

Can you assess if your TC is actually working? I guess just by romping on it and trying to get a wheel spin... you should get a "TC engaged" message.

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Touchless car wash is a high pressure wash.nothing touchs the car but water and soap...might have just got water in something or froze something up....Did you try turning the car off and then back on? sometimes it will go away when you do that. did the car wash have the undercarriage wash that shoots water into your rocker panels and all that?

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The car wash did have jets shoot under the car as you enter the wash, I know I didn't dry completely cause the wash already was letting someone in behind me, I got it dried for the most part, but had a few ice droplets on my hood and such.

I just got back to my GF's house and my car seemed to be running fine. I got the traction control message to come on after 2the minutes or so sitting in the parking lot. Check engine light was on from ignition. Doesn't go away. But as soon as I started going, the traction control message dissapeared, along with the light. It came back on when I was at a stop light and I was waiting little over a minute or two. But didn't come on the rest of the trip, which is a few miles. However check engine light is still on. Even when turning the car on and off. I also believe my car is idiling funny. I had it parked for awhile seeing if the TC light would come on, it didn't, but check engine light still was. when idiling it feels like it's dying down, comes back up, dies down a little, then comes back up. It just doesn't seem right to me, however I don't know much about vehicles, and I'm not sure if it's because it's only 30*F out.

I didn't want to try spinning out because I have new tires, it's not that slick out, and there is traffic everywhere. (Basically I know I'm going to make a lot of noise because I'll have to really get on it) I don't know the area so I have no idea where to go to try that. Maybe I'll get a chance to test it tomorrow morning. But now I'm more worried about my check engine light and what I think is a funny idle.

How do I inspect the ABS connections on the wheels? I have next to zero knowledge about this sort of thing. The ABS light is not illuminated however.

I made an appointment for Saturday at a dealership in this area, pretty much the earliest I could get in. Do you guys have an educated guesses on what I might expect? My powertrain warranty is still good.

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the check engine light is usually if not always something with the emissions...you could see what code it throws but the dealership will know alot more than them cheap ass scanners at autozone.

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Hmm, alright. When they hook their scanner, I know just even looking at it can cost upwards of $100, do you know, or does anyone know if that's covered on powertrain warranty?

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i may be wrong......but i believe powertrain only covers the engine and transmission

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well if thats the case then you can stop by autozone or somewhere like that and have them see what code it throws....but whatever code it throws doesnt necessarily mean thats what needs to be fixed...know what im sayin...

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I gotcha, I'll just let the dealership do their thing

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Just get them to tell you ahead of time what will and will not be covered, if it's part of the powertrain warranty they will not charge diagnostics.

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I hope it's covered. Yeah, the said they'll call me before they do any work that's not covered under warranty.

I received the TC message again this morning, but as soon as I started driving, it went away and didn't come on the rest of the trip. So it seems it only throws the error when it's been sitting and is parked?

Been doing a bit a of searching also, so when there's a solid check engine light, that doesn't mean there's currently an error, it means there was an error that needs to be cleared with a scanner before it goes away. Does that sound correct?

Maybe the rough idle is just in my head. >.< It does run fine otherwise...

3 more days to go, I hate waiting around for these things!

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Typically, the CEL will turn itself off when an issue is resolved, if it's still on there is still a problem. I often avoid clearing a code when I fix something to see if it goes away, it usually does.

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yea, everytime i had a check engine light come on and i fixed the problem it went away without clearing it...It cleared itself...hopefully they give you some good news this weekend....

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Mmkay, I'll keep you guys posted on what the dealership finds out. Thanks for the input guys.

I'll be keeping my too!

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Does the TC sensor work off the same sensor as the ABS? If so, its the wire coming right off your wheel hub (just take off the wheel to inspect). It sounds like a connection may be getting pinched, or might be loose. When you check out the connection, inspect the wire to make sure there are no signs that its getting pinched. There shouldnt be anything interfering with it.

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